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PostPosted: 21:14 - 22 May 2020    Post subject: Thoughts on this guy's riding style? [Video] Reply with quote

https://youtu.be/Ut6Wpm46NSs

Many of you will know the RoyalJordanian YouTube channel. Most of the videos are commutes around London. In the video above, he's gone out into the countryside for a tootle around some B roads, and I have noticed that he is constantly opening and closing the throttle without necessarily changing gears.

Beyond lessons, no-one's really taught me what good riding looks like, so I'm not sure what to think of this. His lines and corner entry etc seems smooth (good) but that constant opening/closing seems really counter-intuitive: like, pick a speed and stick to it unless the road changes.

There may be other reasons for playing with the throttle - enjoying acceleration or engine noise etc - and as I say the corner entry etc seems smooth, but I'd been interested to know what people here make of it.
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 22 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gah! I'm really not one for such videos. I've got a select few favourite Youtube channels and, nothing against anyone including him, but he isn't one of them. That video's a fairly typical example of why I don't watch such channels. You get a lot of useless information (i.e. what the bike sounds like, and what the dash looks like), but the really useful stuff (such as the riding techniques you're asking about) are impossible to assess. Why? Because you can't see what he sees. I think he rides in the sort of areas I like to ride. These places are beautiful, especially at this time of the year, but they can be deceptive. For instance, it may look like all trees and an empty road, but it isn't. When you're actually riding a bike, you can see if there's an entrance to a farm or a layby by the side of that nice tree-lined B-road, and if there is, you anticipate, position and prepare accordingly for someone pulling out of there. Those B-roads are just as likely to be an expensive suburb (Oxfordshire), tastefully styled and lined with magnificient trees, as an actual forest. Line of sight, what's visible through hedges, around corners, differences in visibility when in the shade vs under direct sunlight, you can't see, from that video. His riding style seems sedate, conservative and in a sort of touristic mode, but it isn't possible to tell much from the camera. There's also the issue that the bike and its capabilities are completely unknown to anyone except someone who's ridden a Vitpilen, so the decisions he makes are all based on the handling and braking power of that bike in particular.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 22 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe he's a bus driver. They seem to do that a lot too, possibly to try to save fuel by coasting much of the time.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 22 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks good. the throttle is an anlogue control.

He's using the power to pick the bike up out of the corners and the engine braking to slow down.

He has so much power and engine braking, he doesn't need to change gear to ride that bike at speed on those roads.

He's also thoroughly enjoying the huge dollops of torque that engine produces by winding it on out of corners, he then has to shut the throttle because there are speed limits.

As a general rule, if it looks smooth, it is also both fast and correct.

If you want to see how to ride a bike on the throttle and use the throttle to slow down, speed up and pick the bike up out of corners, watch someone doing a moto gymkhana. They rarely change gear. Or use the clutch. Kind of an extreme version of what he's doing out on the road there.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 22 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

What he said. The camera makes the road look wider than it is and the corners further away - I see someone accelerating when it’s appropriate and backing off in preparation for a change of direction or a reduced view. The fact that it’s a thumping great single through a dirty pipe makes the difference between on and off sound dramatic.
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 23 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's using his view ahead to govern whether he can be on the gas or not. I do this on tight B roads because you often can't be sure that you can hit the gas hard, but you also want to be going faster than you are until a hazard appears.

I don't think it's particularly bad technique. RJ does tend to be a lot harder on and off the throttle in London traffic, so the fact that he's smooth at all here is something of a surprise to be honest.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 23 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'd be using the gears a lot more but I've only ridden IL4s and that's a big single, isn't it?
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 23 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

As seems to be the consensus, looks like what I would expect, I have a lot a roads like that and narrower around where I live and enjoy riding around on a variety of bikes.

I borrowed a camera from my son and was surprised how hard it is to get a good sense of speed, rider visibility and slope of road from the resultant video and tell the difference between a corner and a bend.

On a more powerful bike making a bit of progress it seems to make sense to squirt forward when visibility opens up, and engine break when the future is less certain. with good torque you don't need to change gear much.

Quite different on the same roads on a 125, but also fun.

You never know what is around some corners where I live, agricultural vehicles, big dollops of mud. Or why someone might slow down, a hand written sign warning of horses (that exit from a farm entrance just around the corner) or the distinctive smell of cut vegetation that warns a hedgerow cutting tractor might be near by.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 24 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The roads look familiar. Does anyone know if this is in Kent somewhere?
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 24 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tuberculosis wrote:
The roads look familiar. Does anyone know if this is in Kent somewhere?


It is Dorking, the B2126 / B2127 run.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 24 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
It is Dorking, the B2126 / B2127 run.


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PostPosted: 17:04 - 24 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to watch his videos quite a bit and he's a good and very experienced rider, I do notice odd times he goofs up with the over-ambitious filtering but cuts the clip before you see the result.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 24 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would be surprised at just who Royal Jordanian is, if you watch lots of the vids closely you will see that more than a few folk in London instantly recognise & greet him, even from under that helmet . . . .

He really is a nice guy, incredibly wealthy & humongously well endowed in the charisma stakes, he oooozes charm, wimmin melt in his presence & I've yet to see an average bloke walk away feeling at least 2" taller after having met him.

Who is Royal Jordanian???
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 24 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go on then. Amaze us.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 24 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't been near London in a long while.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 24 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

JackButler wrote:


Who is Royal Jordanian???

A royal from Jordan possibly.
I think a lot of the recognitions are from seeing the videos and unusual distinctive Nuda.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 24 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

JackButler wrote:
You would be surprised at just who Royal Jordanian is, if you watch lots of the vids closely you will see that more than a few folk in London instantly recognise & greet him, even from under that helmet . . . .

He really is a nice guy, incredibly wealthy & humongously well endowed in the charisma stakes, he oooozes charm, wimmin melt in his presence & I've yet to see an average bloke walk away feeling at least 2" taller after having met him.

Who is Royal Jordanian???


JackButler is Royal Jordan and ICMFP.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 24 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah JackButler is the more entitled version of MilfHunter.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 24 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sleeping

boring video

much better Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 24 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
I haven't been near London in a long while.


I have fond memories of the place in the 90s, and was last there in 2008-ish. Returned home with a frown on my face (just because of the way it's developed and changed - nothing to do with the people) and haven't ventured further in than Ace Cafe since then.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 26 May 2020    Post subject: Re: Thoughts on this guy's riding style? [Video] Reply with quote

Quickly wrote:

Beyond lessons, no-one's really taught me what good riding looks like


I highly recommend doing Bikesafe to see what good road riding looks like: those police riders can be silky smooth, safe and – when they choose – blisteringly fast too.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 26 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

His style is perfect - he rides just like me! Mr. Green

But seriously, that's exactly how I ride that kind of road.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 26 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
It is Dorking, the B2126 / B2127 run.


Thought it was. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 26 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Nah JackButler is the more entitled version of MilfHunter.


Isn't there a bikers cafe up that way somewhere?



Bhud wrote:
(just because of the way it's developed and changed - nothing to do with the people)


Scared of being called rasis Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 26 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Scared of being called rasis Laughing


Well it isn't about race, for me. I had cause to be in central London a lifetime ago (around Lincoln's Inn). That place is a good example of what's changed. By the mid-2000s, people were still mostly the same types as there were (tourists, professionals and students), although there were more people in total and they walk slower than they did. It's not a hotbed of stabby types or crime, relative to the outer boroughs of London. In the past, these areas had: lots of unspoken rules about who went where, lots of wine bars, vodka bars, even casinos, oddball curiosity shops (all of the preceding associated with the aspirational, not the super-rich), and interesting architecture. Almost all of that's gone. Now: mostly pizza delivery places, pound shops, cheap food and clothes shops, new apartments, etc. Just seems a less purposeful place that's mostly lost its identity and culture. Most of central London has undergone the same sort of changes. If I had to choose one thing that I didn't like the most, it would be the loss of architecture and character.

To bring it back on-topic, I think that guy's video edits of his commute or whatever probably have a lot to do with his perceptions about how he's perceived, as a monied foreigner. I don't know if he was around in the old London, but perceptions are all relative (i.e. if you remember a place being better in some way, you won't be as happy with it now as someone who comes in and sees it with fresh eyes).


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