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PostPosted: 09:21 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Honda cg 125 cafe racer/scrambler Reply with quote

Hello I brought a Honda cg 125 last week as I was board and wanted something to do so decided to turn it into a cafe racer/scrambler and I’m looking for a few parts eg headlight bracket front peg bar and nobbly tires as cannot find anywhere anyone doing the same or getting rid of anything
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

So is it going to be a cafe racer, or a scrambler? Two almost exactly opposite styles of bike.

Sit down, look at the bike you have, look at some reference pictures of bikes you like the look of, decide what you want, think about how it's possible within the chassis you have, then make it happen. This will avoid you making a dogs dinner.

Can I beg you before you start to NOT lead with angle grinding the rear subframe and lugs off the frame until you have thought of the structural consequences of doing so. If in doubt, ask someone.

It's easier to work around existing frame fittings than to chop them off then realise they were either structurally necessary or useful. Keep any brackets or captive nuts until you are absolutely sure they are redundant... And even then, if they aren't in the way, just keep them, you might decide you want them at a future date.

There have been some horriffic frame chops posted on here recently that were not only badly done but actively dangerous. Don't be that guy.

Is the footpeg bar missing? If I remember rightly, it bolts to the underside of the engine on a CG125? Is all well with the bolt holes before you start.?

Also consider a cafe racer would often have rearsets so you don't land up looking like a shitting frog when you ride it. Rearsets can be improvised on the likes of a CG125 relatively easily by welding/clamping on footpeg brackets further back then flipping the gearchange to face backwards and modifying a brake lever.

A scrambler would normally have folding footpegs, ridgid ones are a liability.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh fuck, not another one.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello this is the look I am going for it is just a project to go to and from work which is about a mile away the pages originally the bike has been dropped and one side of the peg has been welded on badly so was just going to change them
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:34 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If all u guys are just here to take the piss why not go somewhere else with all the other people joined here to get some help didn’t know it was full of piss takers I’ll go join another forum for grown ups
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan215 wrote:
If all u guys are just here to take the piss why not go somewhere else with all the other people joined here to get some help didn’t know it was full of piss takers I’ll go join another forum for grown ups

That was quick. people usually last until at least page 2 before they flounce.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan215 wrote:
If all u guys are just here to take the piss why not go somewhere else with all the other people joined here to get some help didn’t know it was full of piss takers I’ll go join another forum for grown ups

People have some experience of being asked bloody silly questions, you see, that's the problem. You're right, though, many of us (if I may say that) are immature, or areseholes, or both.

Perhaps you could post some pics or even drawings of your bike/what you want to do/drawings or sketches? That would be helpful! More explanation of what you might have planned would be interesting, too.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

One would think that the mature thing to do with a bike is buy better tyres and/or suspension so it handles better.

Sacrificing handling for looks - style over substance - seems like something a kid would do... #JustSayin'
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're not special nor particularly imaginative. We get very close to your exact post on a weekly if not daily basis now. Most of the time it just ends up with junked 125's going to the scrapper because either people lose interest, or make cuts they shouldn't be making to their bike. The ones which do get finished are invariably deathtraps waiting to happen.

the fact you said cafe racer/scrambler does tend to give away that you don't really know what you want, and when you don't know what you want and you embark on a project like this, you invariably don't end up with something that is good at the end of it. This is not piss taking, this is hard learned experience.

A scrambler is not going to be a better bike. A 'good' cafe racer is possible, but why start with a CG125? Why not try a restoration?

If it doesn't make any sense, we're going to say it doesn't make any sense. That's the risk you take when you post things on the internet, you might get opinions that you don't like in return. In this case most of the opinion on here is informed by years of experience (over 20 in my case).

But, after all that you still want to go ahead? Please do. Just don't be surprised if your 'project' ends up going to the scrap man.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the term "cafe racer" has become almost a knee jerk thing. Everybody talks about building a cafe racer (usually seems to mean one of those cheap and nasty seat units on cut down subframe tubes) because...well, because everybody talks about building a cafe racer. One problem. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT A FUCKIN CAFE RACER IS ANYMORE! Brick Wall
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it doesn't have clipons bolted to the fork legs below the top yoke so low that your knees are forced to stick out at 90 degrees from the bike it's not a cafe racer.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
If it doesn't have clipons bolted to the fork legs below the top yoke so low that your knees are forced to stick out at 90 degrees from the bike it's not a cafe racer.


Bolt clip-ons to your ears, you vertically challenged random metalwork receptacle Razz

You could bolt the feckin things to the brake callipers and your knees still wouldn't be forced outwards Razz Razz
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
I think the term "cafe racer" has become almost a knee jerk thing. Everybody talks about building a cafe racer (usually seems to mean one of those cheap and nasty seat units on cut down subframe tubes) because...well, because everybody talks about building a cafe racer. One problem. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT A FUCKIN CAFE RACER IS ANYMORE! Brick Wall


Yeah so in the 1950s a Cafe racer was a derogatory term for the guy riding the souped up bike. Their bikes were built to go as fast as effing possible around the North Circular or equivalent local road (the rider often did the mods, so whether they actually made the bike faster or not is a different matter!!). So technically everyone who claims to ride a Cafe Racer should really be saying they ride a Cafe Racer style pastiche bike.

A tuned Hayabusa or S1000RR is closer in ethos to the Cafe racers of the 50s.

{edit} Does that mean in 2050 kids will be driving cars called 'Boy Racers' which are made up to look like crappy Corsas and Saxos with 22" rims and an enormous stereo system?? {/edit}
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:


Yeah so in the 1950s a Cafe racer was a derogatory term for the guy riding the souped up bike. Their bikes were built to go as fast as effing possible around the North Circular or equivalent local road (the rider often did the mods, so whether they actually made the bike faster or not is a different matter!!). So technically everyone who claims to ride a Cafe Racer should really be saying they ride a Cafe Racer style pastiche bike.

A tuned Hayabusa or S1000RR is closer in ethos to the Cafe racers of the 50s.


So technically, a cafe racer is a fat bastard with cholesterol levels through the roof, on any bike. So to build a cafe racer, get a taxi to your local McD's as often as you can and stuff your face, et voila, you have built a cafe racer without ever going near a bike Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
One problem. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT A FUCKIN CAFE RACER IS ANYMORE! Brick Wall

I've got one. When my new workshop's up I may be able to have a look at it. Could do with a 5-gallon alloy Manx-style tank with indents for clip-ons, preferably at less than an arm and a leg...
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say a cafe racer, done well and properly, is just a wet dream unless you have a lot of experience or a lot of engineering knowledge or both (e.g. Allen Millyard's SS100, SS180 and SS250 hit the mark on both the aesthetic these guys are after and on the high power-to-weight ratio). If you're starting off with a CG125, an angle grinder and Ebay, you will waste a good bike. If it's a kid who thinks he's smart, and can palm off a structurally compromised, rough-running, unrideable and unsafe hack job to dreamers at a profit, that's not clever. What's clever would be to restore the bike and in the process pick up some knowledge which will come in useful later down the road when you're, say, setting up the suspension on your R8T.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Re: Honda cg 125 cafe racer/scrambler Reply with quote

Alan215 wrote:
Hello I brought a Honda cg 125 last week as I was board and wanted something to do so decided to turn it into a cafe racer/scrambler and I’m looking for a few parts eg headlight bracket front peg bar and nobbly tires as cannot find anywhere anyone doing the same or getting rid of anything
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This is the type of quality content I usually provide...

Kid, I get the desire to tinker with cafe racering / scramblering a bike. Its a cool look. But just beware it requires some hard work (like looking up where to get a CG foot pag) and a lot of cash. No such thing as doing it on the cheap. You also won't get that money back when you sell it. Look at all the "cafe racers" on ebay not selling at €1600. Then look at all the "cafe racer projects" selling €1000 worth of bike parts for €400 because someone took it all apart and couldn't put it back together...

Smartest thing you can do - keep the tyres you have now. First of all, you already have them so they are free. Second, knobely tyres don't handle so well on the road. I know. I tried. I didnn't like the outcome.

That said, as someone on here recently said, "be sensible - unless you don't want to be". If you weigh up the options, say "cafe racering a CG is a dumb idea... but I want to do it anyway" then just do it. Just do it with your eyes open, knowing you're going to ruin a perfectly good bike AND lose a lot of money in the process.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
If it doesn't have clipons bolted to the fork legs below the top yoke so low that your knees are forced to stick out at 90 degrees from the bike it's not a cafe racer.


Back in the 70's. I once saw a bloke at Sherburn cafe who had a CG125. His answer to this conundrum was to have some wide scrambler bars & turn them upside down.

So depending on his mood he could have both a scrambler or a cafe racer Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:


So depending on his mood he could have both a scrambler or a cafe racer Laughing


Don't give the lad ideas Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be different. Do a full concorse restoration.

The way things are going, you'll be totally unique, it'll be the only stock-standard CG125 in the country.

There should be a plentiful supply of airboxes, side covers, standard handlebars and front mudguards.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 25 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a mate who had an ap50 and he'd turned what looked like ace bars upside down and back to front so he could tuck right down over the front.

The trouble was he was 6'5 so he looked like a galleon in full sail....
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 26 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan215 wrote:
.. I’ll go join another forum for grown ups


Neutral is there one?
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 26 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
Alan215 wrote:
.. I’ll go join another forum for grown ups


Neutral is there one?


Well I've been hanging about the vintage enduro forums and they're pretty straitlaced. But then you'd be going "I'm going to 'café racer' my old bike" and much tutting would ensue! Something along the lines of "look, I'm not going to tell you how to enjoy your own bike..." Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 26 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that flounce a new record?

(Another fucking cg125 ruined)
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