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I think you're being too harsh, and generalising too much. If people want to ride adventure bikes, I have no problem with that. I'm sure not all of them are McGregor wannabes. And the only excuse you need not to have a fast sports bike is, "I don't want a fast sports bike."
And I'm certain I can't handle 200bhp!
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MarJay wrote: | an indicator of this psychological phenomenon. |
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Could the decline of the 600 class be more to do with youngster's first exciting bikes getting too expensive a territory to get into? I mean, if you threw an LC down the road, you patched it up with gaffer tape and cracked on ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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My mistake, it was Poseidon. I get confused with the usernames, because I think of both of you fisting mermaids. |
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Clearly a typo! Fixed now.
I'm not sure that all of the change in fashion in motorcycling is down to the testing regime. Sure, it might have a small effect but sportsbikes didn't really exist in the way we see them in 1980 but people still moved on to sportsbikes from their 250LCs when they came about.
Pre DAS people still bought sportsbikes?
Nah, I think it's partially Ewan and Charley, partially fragile egos, partially the fashion generally and partially that manufacturers started making naked bikes that actually go around corners.
Both the GSX-S1000F and the Z1000SX are naked bikes with a fairing slapped on rather than fully faired bikes to begin with. Even so, I could totally understand stuff like the MT10, XSR900, GSR750, Street Triple or Ducati Monster becoming the predominant style of bike over a BMW GS. Ugh. Why do people like them? I just don't get it. If there wasn't any other bike to choose from I'd sort of get it, but as I said naked bikes are so good these days!
Anyway never mind. I got a cheap comfortable sportsbike. I'm happy. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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I was actually considering getting a Katana (in Black) as a next bike, which is essentially the same bike underneath as yours, but sorting the suspension and getting a power commander for it.
It's just a bit old hat really. Couldn't justify spending the money on what is essentially no further on from mid-2000's tech.
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Kris wrote: | I was actually considering getting a Katana (in Black) as a next bike, which is essentially the same bike underneath as yours, but sorting the suspension and getting a power commander for it.
It's just a bit old hat really. Couldn't justify spending the money on what is essentially no further on from mid-2000's tech.
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Kris, no it's a great bike honestly. The main downside of the Katana that I can see is that it has a 12 litre tank and so the range is about 120 miles - the same as my Buell.
Technology Smechology! It doesn't matter when a bike is as good as this. It does still have ABS and traction control, and the traction control stays in the mode you set it when you turn the ignition off.
The engine is proven. Sure, it doesn't make 200bhp, but it's not that kind of bike anyway. People go all whistful about the K5 GSXR1000 and this has basically the same lump in it. It has Brembo calipers, KYB forks and weighs 210kg wet. What is not to like? Also, the price. £11k for a Katana, and they are doing £500 off and 0% finance right now.
I don't really see how lack of technology is any kind of barrier if the bike is good enough behind it all. I mean, we all used to ride bikes with less technology back in the day?
The rear shock is not fantastic, so I may consider a Nitron in the future, but it really does go around corners as-is. The Fuelling is also as good if not better than my VFR. Suzuki took the criticism of the 1st gen GSX-S very seriously it seems. The main problem with mine is that there was loads of slack in the throttle cable which I've now dialled out.
With regard to looks, I'd much rather have a Katana without a doubt. It's better looking and it just has the attitude that both the faired and unfaired GSX-S lacks. It's also easier to tell people you have a Katana than to tie your tongue into knots saying Gee Ess Ex Ess thousand Eff.
However, I need it as a commuter, so I need the range. I had to compromise and kind of learn to live with the crosseyed owl/eagle hybrid looks. I am gutted. If the katana had a 17 litre tank I'd probably have put up with the lack of full fairing and gone for that instead.
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MarJay wrote: |
I'm not sure that all of the change in fashion in motorcycling is down to the testing regime. Sure, it might have a small effect but sportsbikes didn't really exist in the way we see them in 1980 but people still moved on to sportsbikes from their 250LCs when they came about. |
But you can't come into motorcycling at 17 now and immediately have a bike that is as fun as an LC. Those early years are very important in forming your persona, your interests, not to mention at that age the brain is still forming, making connections, easily influenced and the connections will then become firmer - by 24, you have largely been 'fashioned' into the kind of person you will be for the rest of your life, barring some kind of effort to change. If you don't learn to enjoy the madness from those teenage years, the bug won't be there.
MarJay wrote: | The main downside of the Katana that I can see is that it has a 12 litre tank |
On a litre 4! Ridiculous!
MarJay wrote: | I don't really see how lack of technology is any kind of barrier if the bike is good enough behind it all. I mean, we all used to ride bikes with less technology back in the day? |
Amen, but I guess it's what you're brought up with.
MarJay wrote: | The rear shock is not fantastic |
When are manufacturers going to start putting decent suspension on new bikes from the off?! Surely good shocks have been around long enough that it isn't that expensive to do? Unforgivable in this day and age.
MarJay wrote: | I'd much rather have a Katana without a doubt. It's better looking and it just has the attitude |
Call me a child, but that's important to me to an extent too! Again, how the early mind is formed - or in my case, failed to form
MarJay wrote: | From what I understand the S1000R is pretty characterless. |
Hey, Hetzer! Fite!
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I'd rather have either of those over a Katana, and I really like the Katana's looks. Just not great value IMO. |
I get it. It looks like it has attitude, but I kind of suspect that it won't feel like that to ride it. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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The reviews I've seen or read of the Katana say it's got 'attitude' for what it's worth. It's not something that is easy to quantify. |
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The japanese litre naked bike class hasn't really moved on it years. |
This is largely why I have settled on my old FZS1000. It seems to me to be about the pinnacle of the non-sports litre 4. Anything that came out after seems only to have pared away some of the attributes that make it a good bike. And with mine, I've done the mods that tidy up any loose ends it may have had. I still don't think there is a better alternative, and the only reason to get something newer would be if I had to go into any low emissions zones.
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chickenstrip wrote: | Talking of which, I know you, MarJay, had to take this into account. But what bike would you have bought if this wasn't a consideration for you, out of curiosity? |
Exactly what consideration do you mean? If the ULEZ wasn't an issue I'd probably have just run my VFR into the ground which I know is a bit of a boring answer but it's true.
If full fairing wasn't an issue I might have ended up with an S1000R or similar.
If fuel range wasn't an issue then I'd have either had a Katana or maybe a Tuono V4, but I hear they get through top ends in 10,000 miles... so maybe not.
The GSX-S engine IS a GSXR engine. It's also been continually rumoured that it's true top end power is a lot more than the claimed 149bhp quoted - supposedly it's good for 160bhp according to some drunk Japanese engineers on the launch. That said, I've not seen any dyno charts that go that high.
People liked the Bandit and it used a detuned GSXR1100 engine. This bike isn't even the modern equivalent of that because it has the high quality forks and traction control etc.
I don't honestly believe people need more than 150bhp on the road. I don't think anyone needs much more than about 110bhp if I'm honest. Even so, I'll concede the GSX-S only feels a mite quicker than my Street Triple, but it does have another load of kilos to lug about. And I haven't really had much of a chance to whang open the throttle to the stop and let the engine get to the redline... so maybe I'm just grannying it a bit? ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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MarJay wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | Talking of which, I know you, MarJay, had to take this into account. But what bike would you have bought if this wasn't a consideration for you, out of curiosity? |
Exactly what consideration do you mean? If the ULEZ wasn't an issue I'd probably have just run my VFR into the ground which I know is a bit of a boring answer but it's true.
If full fairing wasn't an issue I might have ended up with an S1000R or similar.
If fuel range wasn't an issue then I'd have either had a Katana or maybe a Tuono V4, but I hear they get through top ends in 10,000 miles... so maybe not. |
Apart from your VFR, which doesn't count as you've already got it (or had), it seems you do think that newer bikes have something to offer over older, simpler fare? Assuming you could take mileage and condition out of the equation?
Don't think I'd be looking at a Tuono for commuting either - they seem to me to be bikes strictly for fun.
MarJay wrote: | I don't honestly believe people need more than 150bhp on the road. I don't think anyone needs much more than about 110bhp if I'm honest. Even so, I'll concede the GSX-S only feels a mite quicker than my Street Triple, but it does have another load of kilos to lug about. And I haven't really had much of a chance to whang open the throttle to the stop and let the engine get to the redline... so maybe I'm just grannying it a bit? |
No, people don't need more than 150bhp, but bikes are not all about "need", are they?
Mine is producing a little shy of 140 at the rear wheel, and I find it plenty. Tbh, standard it was enough, but the Ivan's mod has made it a little more...interesting.
A bit more weight isn't always a bad thing on a road bike, I think. The Street Triple sometimes felt a bit flighty on a bumpy road, whereas my Fazer isn't, er, fazed by it
I also found myself being lazy when I first had my ST, due to the good lower end pull for a middleweight. That came from owning the thou, but I soon figured out how the ST should be ridden
Which was just as well, because now owning the two together made more sense. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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