Am I being useless?

[ThunderGuts]

Came across this junction last night on my ride; I've done this the other way a few times, but this was the first time turning into it though. Not helped by some cars faffing around, but I found it tricky and was really feeling the weight of my Crossrunner on it. 1st gear, feathering rear brake, looking where I was going etc.. Is this just showing an incompetence, or are junctions like this always tricky? I probably wouldn't think twice about it on a bicycle or in a car which makes me think the former. Quite a blind bend approaching with cars racing so it encourages to dip into the junction with a bit more haste than ideal and I guess if I had good visibility ahead I might have hugged the left edge of the road a bit more before committing.

Aerial view and streeview below.

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https://cdn.bcf.44bytes.net/files/greenfield_2.jpg
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[P.]

That looks like a dogshit junction

[chickenstrip]

Agreed. Does look a bit awkward. Easy enough if there's no other traffic about, but if it's busy when you get to it...puts a different perspective on things.
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[Polarbear]

If you can't see if fast cars are coming I'd be tempted to turn into the pub carpark and then come back out the other way. If you can see cars coming it shouldn't be a problem unless the camber makes it awkward if you stop.
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[Bhud]

It's an awful junction. About the only thing you could do to mitigate risk is slow down well in advance and stop the traffic coming up behind you. But no matter where you position yourself in your lane you're at risk from oncoming traffic turning right, or swinging right before turning left. If you stop before Green Gate Road, you're at risk from traffic coming out of Green Gate Road and turning left.

[Easy-X]

That's one where I'd probably be almost at a dead stop before taking the turn and over to the left as much as I could to see the bend but not so much some knob behind could overtake.
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[ThunderGuts]

I feel somewhat comforted by the remarks! In an ideal world I'd have hugged the left edge and done most of the turning before dropping into the side road but as mentioned above, there's the usual issue with impatient car drivers wanting to continue straight on and probably would attempt to push past me irrespective of a bright flashing light suggesting I want to go right.

I didn't have to use that junction, in fact in the past I have avoided it, but I figured given I was out on my own with no agenda, so I may as well use it as practice for the situation where I have a tricky situation like this but don't have any alternatives.
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[Evil Hans]

There's a junction like that not too far from me.

I hate it.
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[xX-Alex-Xx]

That's a nasty junction - got everything going against you. I'm assuming 60 mph road? But couple that with the limited visibility around the corner, tight turn needed to get onto the side road, plus the camber of the side road, I'd probably use the pub carpark to turn around and come at it from the other side, just more from a "cars won't be paying attention to a slow moving bike" point of view.
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[ThunderGuts]

Yeah it's either a 50 or a 60 (not that it makes much difference on a road like that, everyone does 60 anyway!). Disadvantage of a 6pm ride is the cars that are about tend to be commuters driving home as fast as possible while thinking about food/TV etc.
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[smokin joe]

It looks far worse coming the other way, a limited views for drivers emerging from left and right. I'd crawl round it with the brakes covered.

[ThunderGuts]

It's actually OK the other way (well, relatively speaking); the "high ground" on the inside of the bend is on the left, so easy to put a foot down and keep the rear brake on. Does require the use of the other side of the road though!
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[Tdibs]

Thats up at the top of the peaks/in the moors? ive come up that one turning left before. Absolute dog, had to give it a ton of beans and foot out.

I'd imagine road a road layout like that would never be approved now.
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[hellkat]

I'm a wuss in the countryside. I'd go into the pub carpark and approach it from the other direction
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[Hong Kong Phooey]

Been past there, don't think I've ever done that right turn going that way. There's a few junctions like that on other roads not that far away.

It seems you've got good visibility to look right over the wall on approach, so if there's no cars coming I'd be taking a significant chunk off the corner by cutting into the oncoming lane. This wouldn't be knee down action, but head up observing the junction in advance, depending on the bike probably 1st or 2nd gear.

If you come to a stop and traffic is blocking all lanes, then you'll have to give it enough speed to maintain balance, and look over your right shoulder and aim your vision away from the wall, probably about 2/3 away just near the centreline.

There's no shame in wobbling, there's a lot of bad roads, off camber and tight, gravel, wet with moss and leaves. I've paddled round some of these, it's when you're doing slow speed tight manoeuvres that it is hardest. Best time was almost getting stuck against a kerb when on a steep hill, after doing a u turn.
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[Freddyfruitba...]

This is our local Really Awful Junction:
https://goo.gl/maps/bK2S96aoGuyA7AhcA
A left turn at the T junction on to the downhill hairpin features on the advanced riding test routes... I don't think many get it 100% correct without at least practicing it first
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[UncleFester]

Im with Polarbear and Hellkat on this - i'd just take a left and turn in the pub carpark and come back at it from a safer / better angle.
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[Howling TerrorOutOfOffice]

You're being a little bit useless ...which is to be expected if it's a junction you use infrequently.

That photo...one that dips to the right with an off-camber that wants to take you to the gutter isn't something you attack is it.

One of those where I'd set off from left of my lane with almost a full lock to begin with. Giving me a better view at the oncoming and maybe a view up the road I was heading onto.

It reminds me of the junction off the Cat n Fiddle near the old tea rooms.
I'd gone a little bit too far before initiating the turn which left me running along the kerb for a few feet. I was twitching but the pillion was unaware.

[edit] Yes..the tea rooms. Where I had arranged to rendezvous with 6 other motorcyclists and then they'd follow me to North Wales (bikers holiday thingy...good fun etc etc). I turned up a bit late...entered the sloped carpark..came to a stop and thought I'd put the sidestand down.
Thankfully Big Norm and little Dave lifted the bike off my leg.
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[chickenstrip]

[Freddyfruitba...]

[Howling TerrorOutOfOffice]

That's to be expected really. Dipsticks do what they do, it's my job to expect someone pulling out or overtaking as I'm turning. Whether I'm sat next to the white line or over to the left for a better view.

Make intentions clear i.e slow down and indicate with plenty of time.
Physically look behind you whilst stopped. etc etc

Guess if you have prior knowledge of the junction it's possible to let people pass before getting there....but that ain't happening is it.

Yeah it's a typical naughty little junction...the country is littered with them and there's often a compromise when negotiating them...or go into that carpark and turn around...and [facetious mode] hope you don't get knocked off by a drunk.
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