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[Diggs]

This afternoon I opened up our local village Facebook page, to find a live stream from the bus-shelter. A group of adults were being filmed standing around a chap in his 40s, asking him questions about messages he'd sent to what he thought was a 13 year old girl. I watched for a bit until the plod turned up and arrested the bloke.

Turns out this was a 'sting'. One of the group had pretended to be a girl, the bloke asked her age, told her all the things he'd like to do and arranged the meet. This man's thing, he confessed, was to spread salad cream, ketchup and mayo on young girls and lick it off.

My question to you is - should this have been broadcast live on social media? On the one hand a self-confessed nonce has been caught, but on the other, the fact of broadcasting it on line may well have jeopardised any chance of a conviction.
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[Riejufixing]

I had to look up that word. No, of course it should not have been broadcast. I'm surprised at you for even having/wanting to ask.

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Seems to happen a lot these days.
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[Diggs]

It was an ethical rather than a legal question. I think it shouldn't have been broadcast for all sorts of reasons, not least because until the point he confessed, they could have been filming and streaming an innocent bloke, and mud (or in this case salad cream...) sticks...

However, this group carries out lots of these 'stings' so one would hope they have taken legal advice by now and conduct their operations in a manner that cannot prejudice a trial. I can't see how it couldn't prejudice a trial however, so for this reason also I think is shouldn't have been broadcast.
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[stinkwheel]

I don't think there is any legal issue (other than potential for lible/slander) until the person is charged. After that point, you can run into "prejudice" in the legal meaning and potential contempt of court.

Ethically, well it's a combination of virtue signalling on the part of the stingers and voyeurism on the part of the watchers. There is absolutely no need to live-stream it. Recording would have been sufficient.
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[Polarbear]

I'm ambivalent about this.

If it had been just an accusation with no proof then the people accusing should be arrested.

If they have done a sting, got it all on tape and he's got dead to rights it means the cops and CPS have to act. They can't stick their head in the sand and sing lalala while ignoring people like Saville, politicians and ethnic minorities or anyone else who it is more trouble than worth to prosecute.

Is it morally and ethically wrong to put it in social media. Yes, but it's also morally and ethically wrong to groom kids on social media.

I would be more against it if I had the confidence in the police and CPS to follow it through properly but I haven't

So, working on the principle it could have been my 13 year old grand daughter he groomed. Fcuk him.
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[The Shaggy D.A.]

...salad cream AND mayo?

Weirdo.
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[Ste]

Link required.

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[bhinso]

I can see both sides.

The argument in favour of the hunters is sharing for awareness. For example one guy who worked in a school was caught two years ago and has only just gone to trial. It's possible he could have still been working at the school right up to now without public knowledge.

Agree with stinkwheel, there's no need to live stream it though. That's just for entertainment, a bit like why the Romans had the Colleseums.

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[hellkat]

This is exactly where the lines are blurring.
Social media is only qualified to be entertainment.
It is not ready to be, and should not yet be used in the course of justice.

Certainly there are serious flaws in the justice system, but allowing social media to take it over is not the answer.

I am all for social action but recent models of crowd action make it very clear that vigilantes still cannot be trusted to act with a single social conscience.

Vigilante-ism is not a viable way forward. It has a long way and a lot of careful self-examination BY ALL PARTIES before it would become anywhere NEAR viable, and particularly on social media.
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[Polarbear]

[Ste]

https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/06/two-innocent-men-arrested-paedophile-hunters-got-wrong-people-11049234/

[Riejufixing]

Crikey. I will be surprised, and disappointed, if that group of vigilantes are not subject to legal action and a claim from those arrested. Streaming this live, "to thousands of followers"? Phwt!

Edit: I see that "YCP take responsibility for our part played in these innocent men being arrested but we won’t be taking all the blame"

That's some gall.

[Skudd]

You will start to have vigilantes hounding vigilantes because.......

It would be better to do the trace and track on camera for record and not entertainment, Hunger Games come to mind. Only on conviction should any footage be shown and that should be censored to remove the entertainment aspect of it.

Our young and vulnerable should be actively protected, but not for entertainment.
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[wr6133]

I don't really see a huge issue with them catching the dirty bastards.

The streaming it on Social Media though? That makes me think the "hunters", are more interested in gaining personal fame than actually helping convict people.

[stinkwheel]

Also the use of public pillorying was dropped as a punishment quite some time ago. The justice system is dispassionate and formal for a reason and the principal of innocent until proven guilty is worth upholding. Trial by social media is, as has just been shown here, unreliable.

There is always more to a social media virtue-signalling post than meets the eye, they only show one side of a situation.

Like one recent one I saw when you see footage of a BLM/ANTIFA protestor being body-slammed to the ground by the police but it doesn't show the 45 minutes of de-escalation that went on before it came to that, or the sucker-punch that lead to that particular person being singled out of the group.
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[MCN]

There's a paedo hunter posts his vids on the web who is an ex con.
Now Paedo-lanti. 60mins did a story on him a while back.

I can't remember now if he posted after conviction or before.
But he records emails, calls meetings and subsequent arrests.

The weird thing was the way the paedo begged to not be busted as it would ruin his life. 🙄

Fuck the harm an encounter with a paedo cam do to a gullible child.
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[Polarbear]

[Diggs]

Do we really want to go back to this though?
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[Polarbear]

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[Polarbear]

Anyway, to answer your point, we have regressed to that since social media burst on the scene.

It utterly amazes me how stupid so many people are on FB (I don't use twitter and co). Reposting stuff that is obviously fake, out of date or just pain bollox without ever checking it because they want it to be true.

If that suits your agenda it doesn't take much to provoke the response you want with huge swathes of sheeple without them even knowing they are being led.

What's the answer? Censor social media? Nah, just tax it. Heavily. Soon get rid of the Untermensch that way.
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