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Riejufixing
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 14 Aug 2020    Post subject: SDoc100 White Chain Spray. Reply with quote

I see from various adverts it "contains PTFE" and is "Suitable for all chain types (O/X/Z)". Is it suitable for "ordinary" unsealed chains, or just sealed ones? It apprently "makes chains last 4x longer", so why's whoever makes Scottoiler in business?

Colour me "mistrustful but open to persuasion".

Oh, and if anyone's got a tin of it, who makes it?

Edit: it's now called "S100 White Chain Spray 2.0" it seems.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 14 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bottle of gear oil will last 10 years and do a better job of lubing your chain.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 15 Aug 2020    Post subject: Re: SDoc100 White Chain Spray. Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
who makes it?

https://www.s100.de/
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 15 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

"makes chains last 4x longer" than what? A zero lubricated chain? And from one spray can, or do you need to buy 50 to achive that?

3L of used engine oil lasts about a year, free, chain lasts 50k miles +, so 200k miles from a chain with a spray lube? Nope I do not think so.

Ptfe.. nothing special. However if you need a small chain oil bottle, wilko sell a green ptfe oil in the cycling section, it has a decent screw lid that will not leak.
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 15 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:


3L of used engine oil lasts about a year, free, .


6 years if you don't smear it over your tyres/floor/swingarm/genitals
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 15 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought 5 litres of chainsaw oil about 4 years ago to go in the scotoiler. I have about a litre left.

I dont understand why people absolutely dicker their chain with oil so that it all sprays off as soon as they ride off when it can be dripped on at a moderate rate whilst your actually riding.

It's much more effective at lubricating the chain and the chain and sprockets last that much longer.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 15 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using a larger amount gives a cleaning action as it drips and flings off. I would guess I use 12ml per day, about 5 squirts. Half drips into a container under the bike and the rest will fling off while riding.

Zero advantage to a drip feed when doing less than 70 miles per day.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 15 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Using a larger amount gives a cleaning action as it drips and flings off. I would guess I use 12ml per day, about 5 squirts. Half drips into a container under the bike and the rest will fling off while riding.

Zero advantage to a drip feed when doing less than 70 miles per day.


Evidence please? Please quote sources and show working out.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 15 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Zero advantage to a drip feed when doing less than 70 miles per day.


There is of course the obvious advantage that your chain is oiled for minimal effort.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 05 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gear oil for lube and paraffin to clean with. Cheap regime. Wipe the chain down to remove excess after lubing and there'll be barely any splatter, if there is there's too much on there.

I just cleaned what I think was wet weather chain lube (white wax) off my chain which the dealer applied from new. There was a thick pile of gloop in the bottom of the bowl and it was like grinding paste between the fingers. Oil doesn't hold it this way, it's much quicker and cleaner to work with. You'll have to apply it more often but it's quick, clean and easy.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 05 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been posted before, it'll be posted again.

https://youtu.be/VnPYdcbcAe0
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 05 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose no-one can answer the question in the OP, since no-one's tried. I'll ask the people Ste indicated.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 05 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
I suppose no-one can answer the question in the OP, since no-one's tried. I'll ask the people Ste indicated.


There were three questions in the OP.

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Is it suitable for "ordinary" unsealed chains, or just sealed ones?

why's whoever makes Scottoiler in business?

who makes it?

My answer covered the general futility and unsuitability of chain sprays.

Ste covered the third question.

Several attempts cover the second which boils down to "people are lazy, they make life easy."
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 06 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe that a well set up scottoiler doesn't lengthen the life of a chain. Too many people have had one and say the same thing. Wifie had one on her old 600 divvy and I never changed the chain. In fact I can't even remember adjusting it, although that could be down to her riding.

Therefore if said video is correct, why does a chain last longer with a scottoiler? \is it because it continuously lubricates? is it because it washes sh1t off the chain?

It puts a different perspective on BMW's no maintenance chain if the lubricants do no or very little use.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 06 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my strange head PTFE does not absorb moisture. Oil does absorb moisture, well not absorb as such but I'm not going to get into that. Anyway better corrosion protection

Liberal amounts of oil, of most higher viscosities, will do the job. As Stinkwheel said. Wipe off residue with an old rag. Oil absorbs moisture so surely less corrosion risk added to the chain looks gay when white.

You can shove yer PTFE shit up your arse.

For me, I can barely be arsed oiling the chain so tend to get a new one when the old one gets knackered.
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 06 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
I bought 5 litres of chainsaw oil about 4 years ago to go in the scotoiler. I have about a litre left.

I dont understand why people absolutely dicker their chain with oil so that it all sprays off as soon as they ride off when it can be dripped on at a moderate rate whilst your actually riding.

It's much more effective at lubricating the chain and the chain and sprockets last that much longer.

That's not great. I bought 1L of 90/10 gear oil 5 years ago, I use it on two bikes and I haven't finished the bottle yet.

I use a paintbrush to apply oil on all sides of the chain, then remove any excess with a rag. There is very little fling after the first ride, and I don't oil the chain very often.

Even the R1 still has the original chain and sprockets at 33,000 miles. I use the clutch as intended; I ease it out, and I guess that helps. I'm not slamming the chain against the sprockets. I reckon Scottoiler owners must coincidentally have similar mechanical sympathy because otherwise I can't see how periodically dropping oil on one side of the chain can truly lubricate sufficiently. How are those Scottoiler drops supposed to work their way all over the chain; side-plates, rollers, O-rings?
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 06 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

struan80 wrote:
In my strange head PTFE does not absorb moisture. Oil does absorb moisture, well not absorb as such but I'm not going to get into that. Anyway better corrosion protection

Liberal amounts of oil, of most higher viscosities, will do the job. As Stinkwheel said. Wipe off residue with an old rag. Oil absorbs moisture so surely less corrosion risk added to the chain looks gay when white.

You can shove yer PTFE shit up your arse.

For me, I can barely be arsed oiling the chain so tend to get a new one when the old one gets knackered.


Oil doesn't absorb moisture. It repels moisture.

I take it you don't understand what detergents are?

(Yes I know that oil and water can make an emulsion in certain curcumstances, but thats not going to happen with a chain.)
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 06 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

That's not great. I bought 1L of 90/10 gear oil 5 years ago, I use it on two bikes and I haven't finished the bottle yet.

I use a paintbrush to apply oil on all sides of the chain, then remove any excess with a rag. There is very little fling after the first ride, and I don't oil the chain very often.

Even the R1 still has the original chain and sprockets at 33,000 miles. I use the clutch as intended; I ease it out, and I guess that helps. I'm not slamming the chain against the sprockets. I reckon Scottoiler owners must coincidentally have similar mechanical sympathy because otherwise I can't see how periodically dropping oil on one side of the chain can truly lubricate sufficiently. How are those Scottoiler drops supposed to work their way all over the chain; side-plates, rollers, O-rings?


For 10 quid I.m not bothered how much I use in 5 years.

The oil is supposed to lubicate the chain and sproket interface, putting oil on the o-ring is pointless. It's supposed to be sealed. Thats what the o-ring is for.

Some does go there anyway, so if you want your o-rings damp they will be.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 06 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
struan80 wrote:
In my strange head PTFE does not absorb moisture. Oil does absorb moisture, well not absorb as such but I'm not going to get into that. Anyway better corrosion protection

Liberal amounts of oil, of most higher viscosities, will do the job. As Stinkwheel said. Wipe off residue with an old rag. Oil absorbs moisture so surely less corrosion risk added to the chain looks gay when white.

You can shove yer PTFE shit up your arse.

For me, I can barely be arsed oiling the chain so tend to get a new one when the old one gets knackered.


Oil doesn't absorb moisture. It repels moisture.

I take it you don't understand what detergents are?

(Yes I know that oil and water can make an emulsion in certain curcumstances, but thats not going to happen with a chain.)


There are some highly hygroscopic oils though. Refrigeration oils are very prone to it with potentially catastrophic results if the water freezes during the refrigeration cycle. (fridge oils are carried around the whole circuit and dont just stay in the compressor).

Shell's policy was if you open a sealed can to top up a system, it's then considered contaminated and junk. They can afford the waste. Rolling Eyes

Obviously jack sh1t to do with bikes unless you have a beer cooler on the back. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 08 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

White grease is used a lot in car servicing. Why? Because it leaves a visble white residue , so the punter can see that the mechanic has actually done something.... Usually seen sprayed on door hinges , locks , bonnet catches , hinges and so on. If you must have aproduct like this then try https://www.beal.org.uk/lubrication-cleaning/aerosols/white-grease-spray-aerosol/spray-400ml.html at 3 quid plus vat has got to be a cheaper option than bringing it from Germany
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