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PostPosted: 18:28 - 27 Aug 2020    Post subject: A new party leader (Illib Undem). Reply with quote

Apparently someone named "ed davy" has been made leader of the Illiberal Undemocrats. No-one really seems to've noticed.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 27 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, he beat the openly pansexual (yeah, really) Layla Moran and said that the party had better start listening.

Presumably they'll do that by not pandering to the new world order of perma-offended wokists whilst focussing on nicking some votes off the Green Party, as long as they don't totally ignore the fact that their own party members voted for the bloke that is pretty moderate and wasn't a complete mentalist.

Davey is a pretty decent choice all things considered. You never know your luck.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 27 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will they still want to reverse Brexit?
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 27 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Will they still want to reverse Brexit?


Recently, on Ed Watch:
"I’ll always believe our best place is in the EU, but our job now is to convince the country of that.

"If the opportunity ever arises for us to rejoin, and we can take the public with us, I’ll be at the frontline of that fight.”

I'd go with yeah.... But you know, he's gonna listen to the people.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 27 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Yeah, he beat the openly pansexual (yeah, really) Layla Moran and said that the party had better start listening.

Presumably they'll do that by not pandering to the new world order of perma-offended wokists whilst focussing on nicking some votes off the Green Party, as long as they don't totally ignore the fact that their own party members voted for the bloke that is pretty moderate and wasn't a complete mentalist.

Davey is a pretty decent choice all things considered. You never know your luck.


I wish she had won in a way. It would have killed the Liberal party stone dead. Their main vote is middle aged west country yokel types, probably church goers who would line up with pitchforks to burn her at the stake.
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 27 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
Will they still want to reverse Brexit?


I'd go with yeah.... But you know, he's gonna listen to the people.


You detected the sarcasm in my post Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 27 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I wish she had won in a way. It would have killed the Liberal party stone dead. Their main vote is middle aged west country yokel types, probably church goers who would line up with pitchforks to burn her at the stake.


Not any more. Cornwall used to be a Liberal stronghold but they totally misjudged the mood with regards to Brexit down there. Just to be sure I dug out a political map:

https://maproom.net/demo/election-map/0.html

I'd forgotten how dramatic the last election was! SNP in the Scotland, Labour in the cities, oh and the Literal Undemocrats... very hard to find Smile
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 27 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the Lib Dems still going? Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 28 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw Davey and Moran on the Beeb. They had members of the public video calling in questions, it was pathetic. I couldn't believe just how bad they were. A young woman who had lost work because of pandemic asked what their position was on the current situation due to the crisis and they both just waffled on about irrelevances, Moran went of on a tangent about climate change and Davey waffled about Brexit. It was bizarre. I'm amazed the Lib Dems have any followers at all.

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PostPosted: 10:14 - 28 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The failure of government is that we elect politicians to control it.

Stop electing politicians.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 28 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
The failure of government is that we elect politicians to control it.

Stop electing politicians.


America did that with Trump. Would you class it as a success?

I'm actually being serious as it's a business man compared to a politician. The thought of Alan Sugar or Richard Branson as PM. Thinking
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 28 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
The thought of Alan Sugar or Richard Branson as PM. Thinking


The former? Maybe. The latter...

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PostPosted: 21:08 - 28 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
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I asked the family politely over tea if anybody could tell me what a 'pansexual' is. The consensus from my kids is someone who likes to insert kitchen equipment up their arse.

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PostPosted: 23:04 - 28 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
MCN wrote:
The failure of government is that we elect politicians to control it.

Stop electing politicians.


America did that with Trump. Would you class it as a success?

I'm actually being serious as it's a business man compared to a politician. The thought of Alan Sugar or Richard Branson as PM. Thinking


I don't believe the electorate have a real choice in who they elect as king.

There were no real players left in politics by the time Trump got there.
Look at his opposition.
She was never getting back into 1 Capitol Hill Street.

Britain seem to have not had an election either.
Nothing to choose between.
We had what we already had and The Communist Party.
And right minded people are now afraid of communists.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 28 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
There were no real players left in politics by the time Trump got there.
Look at his opposition.
She was never getting back into 1 Capitol Hill Street.

Wasn't Clinton vs. Trump a pretty close-run thing?

My own logic says there's no way Trump will get a second term but then Corbyn's Labour missed an open goal which makes me think Trump could win again.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 28 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
MCN wrote:
There were no real players left in politics by the time Trump got there.
Look at his opposition.
She was never getting back into 1 Capitol Hill Street.

Wasn't Clinton vs. Trump a pretty close-run thing?

My own logic says there's no way Trump will get a second term but then Corbyn's Labour missed an open goal which makes me think Trump could win again.


Clinton and Trump was a media hype.

I hope to Christ that real thinking Americans did not relate to any of that pair of edjit's policies.

But there are people in the UK who believe 100% that Brexit is a good thing and get bent well out of shape if any counter argument is posited.
I don't know if it is good or bad.
I just think it is disastrously expensive and complex.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 28 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Clinton and Trump was a media hype.

How so?

MCN wrote:
there are people in the UK who believe 100% that Brexit is a good thing and get bent well out of shape if any counter argument is posited.
I don't know if it is good or bad.
I just think it is disastrously expensive and complex.

I believe that Brexit is a regrettable but necessary thing for the same reason that Communism was a nice idea; ultimately and inevitably let down by selfish human ambition.
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PostPosted: 01:47 - 29 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems a shame to drag up Brexit again but lately I've been feeling like whether we stayed in or legged it the difference is not all that. Certainly not the apocalypse the Remainers prophesied and definitely not land of milk and honey from all the money saved from EU coffers.

Yes, the EU was a protection racket but the upside of paying money to goons for "nice economy you have here, be a shame if anything were to happen to it..." is that you do get hired muscle on tap i.e. international trade deals have more clout.
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 29 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you think we built 2 bloody great aircraft carriers? To fight a world war? To project Britains forces around he world?

No, to keep out French fishing trawlers when they try to enter our waters for British fish after a no deal Brexit. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 29 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

But there are people in the UK who believe 100% that Brexit is a good thing and get bent well out of shape if any counter argument is posited.
I don't know if it is good or bad.
I just think it is disastrously expensive and complex.


Try not to think so much. It doesn't suit you Razz
Trying to pin down how political and economic situations will turn out is an exercise in futility. People must make their choices, take their risks, and put in the effort to try to make things work. This is called "life". We were confronted with a choice. We made our decisions. We must try to make things work. If the vote had been to stay in the EU, I would have said the same. But we didn't. Move forward. Whichever way the vote had gone, there would have been further risks and choices to negotiate, some every bit as momentous. Again, this is life.
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PostPosted: 07:33 - 30 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just found it incredulous that after a democratic vote offered nationally, the Lib Dems had the audacity to call it null and void.

Purely on the basis they didn't get what they want.

Thats the sort of nonsense 8 year olds pull, if they loose at naughts and crosses.

Its reflective of a culture, which has an inflated view of how important their personal opinions are..... they're all in for a shock when they realise noone actually cares.....

Its the feminists I feel sorry for, they spend 150 years taking the fight to men, now they haven't got a flaming clue where their biggest threat stems from....
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 30 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSTEEL32 wrote:
I just found it incredulous that after a democratic vote offered nationally, the Lib Dems had the audacity to call it null and void.

Purely on the basis they didn't get what they want.

Thats the sort of nonsense 8 year olds pull, if they loose at naughts and crosses.

Its reflective of a culture, which has an inflated view of how important their personal opinions are..... they're all in for a shock when they realise noone actually cares.....

Its the feminists I feel sorry for, they spend 150 years taking the fight to men, now they haven't got a flaming clue where their biggest threat stems from....


Absolutly. Swinson really thoght it would give her the vote of the people who voted remain so was willing to stick two fingers up to democracy. A suicidal decision.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 30 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking of launching a campaign urging people to vote Libdem. Not for any rational reason but just because the whole political situation is so bizarre we may as well put the Lib Dems in just for a wild card laugh. After all isn't that essentially how Trump got into the Wiesshuit?
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 30 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
MCN wrote:

But there are people in the UK who believe 100% that Brexit is a good thing and get bent well out of shape if any counter argument is posited.
I don't know if it is good or bad.
I just think it is disastrously expensive and complex.


Try not to think so much. It doesn't suit you Razz
Trying to pin down how political and economic situations will turn out is an exercise in futility. People must make their choices, take their risks, and put in the effort to try to make things work. This is called "life". We were confronted with a choice. We made our decisions. We must try to make things work. If the vote had been to stay in the EU, I would have said the same. But we didn't. Move forward. Whichever way the vote had gone, there would have been further risks and choices to negotiate, some every bit as momentous. Again, this is life.


Agree, Britain and the EU should get over themselves.

The futility is that nothing tangible changed after Brexit.
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