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 Posted: 10:46 - 11 Nov 2020 Post subject: thoughts on running different size bores |
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On my GT250 one at 54.5mm and one a 55mm.
Clearly not ideal, but people often talk of compression figures only having to be within 10% of each other...
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Hmm my thinking too. My brother would say..
'Well, it's not a race engine is it?' ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750, SL1000
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0.5mm is a full piston size.
So standard bore on a GT250 is 54.0mm? (according to google) So you have one at +0.5 and one at +1.0 already. That'll slap about like a pencil in a tin can if you use standard pistons
You probably want to take them both out to 55 and fit some +1.0 pistons?
Or more probably both out to +1.5 because if it's +1.0 through wear, it's probably not round either.
Piston kit is £60, probably about the same again for the rebore?
EDIT: I'd be less worried about using different sized pistons and rings if they fit the bore. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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| stinkwheel wrote: |
EDIT: I'd be less worried about using different sized pistons and rings if they fit the bore. |
Yes this. Current RHS bore is 54.5 and good. LHS has damaged exhasut threads (not studs the exhaust has a 48mm castle nut..) BUt I have a LHS cylinder with good threads that can be rebored to 55mm and I have good piston for that size. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750, SL1000
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I wonder how much difference in weight there is between the two pistons and if it could be balanced out by a little judicious sanding off of casting marks etc on the inside of the heavier one. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Can't be much can it? In any case most (ok a lot) of the weight will be in the rod pin and bearing. It's not high revving either - 8k red line I think.
I'll dig out my Anthony Worrall-Thompson electronic scales later and see what were talking about ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750, SL1000
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Get 'em both out to +1.0 by all means but I doubt the liner would like any more than that taken off  ____________________ Royal Enfield Continental GT 535, Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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I was just interested.
I've sent a twin engine for a rebore before and the (brand new) pistons have come back with R and L written on them in marker pen because they were slightly different diameters. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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A GT250 probably suffers far more power imbalance from the wanky siamese throttle cable setup than half a mm difference in the bore size. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good  |
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| Easy-X wrote: | Get 'em both out to +1.0 by all means but I doubt the liner would like any more than that taken off  |
There's actually loads of meat on the liners - you can even use TS125 pistons (oversized!) ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750, SL1000
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| Pete. wrote: | wanky siamese throttle cable setup t. |
Well quite..
I've got a couple of options one being some standard bores that have been skimmed 2mm off the top but I made some base spacers to jack them back up by a 1mm (1.5) if I use two base gaskets too. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750, SL1000
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Quick fag-packet maths says your swept volumes are 2.3cc different.
That's 2.8%, blow-by will probably vary more. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Thanks chaps.. my instinct was to give it a try.
Its a survivor when all said and done and there are a few escape routes i can take if needed ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750, SL1000
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I'm with stink, pete and forced, bore size will probably make eff all difference so long as everything fits, but I would check some weights, just to be sure you aren't loading one side of the crank with too much moving mass.
Just belt and braces, as you say, it's not exactly a high revving race motor, some of them probably left the factory with higher tolerances. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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