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5DeadHookersI...
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 02 Feb 2021    Post subject: 954rr Reply with quote

Hi guys,

First post here.

So I bought a 954 02 bike on a 51 plate so the first run. anyways I'm looking at doing a couple of mods.

bought a pc3 off ebay for a 929. planning to get it mapped on a dyno when lockdowns done. in the mean time I tried to install map for a 954 suiting my set up. kept getting an incompatible map error. managed to copy and paste the fuel chart from my desired map onto the 929 map that was already on the unit and its running. so its a temporary solution. I would prefer for it just to accept my maps without pissing about since the 929/954 PC3 were the same unit.

I'm planning to reset then update the firmware on the pc3 to see if that will allow me to load the desired maps but I've seen reports of them getting stuck in boot mode when doing this. from what I can gather you can't do it on the bike you need to use the battery cable to power the unit. does anyone have any experience in doing this to confirm this? I'm assuming it may vary from bike to bike. common sense would suggest flashing it whilst attached to bike for power causes a power interruption and gets it stuck whilst updating. I'm wondering though whether id need to remove it from the bike when doing it with a battery attached so if anyone that's got experience in this feel free to chip in.

I'm also wanting to do the HTEV delete mod and the airbox mod. from what I can gather you need to remove the flapper on the airbox as well as the fitting runners and anything else that gets in the way to see any real difference. I've also heard if you remove the original htev unit and remove the valve then blank off the hole with a custom made plate and it does the same job as buying the delete unit. obviously saving £65 is a Good thing if this mod is just as good. Ill also be removing the cone thats is part of the link pipe.

I'm sure there's more questions but that will do for now. So anyone thats familiar with these mods or the PC3 feel free to weigh in.

cheers
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 02 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always happy to advise.

Get a new username.

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PostPosted: 22:28 - 02 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:32 - 02 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBF its different but i am glad we are not on CB radio
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 02 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderRat wrote:
TBF its different but i am glad we are not on CB radio


Yeah man, its a username....I thought I'd joined bike chat forum not snowflakes chat forum. Not to mention being chastised by a girl promoting sunbeds and using an avatar of someone dressing up like some "influencer" in Dubai Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 02 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave the air box alone. It does nothing to improve top end, and can make the midrange rough,
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 02 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Leave the air box alone. It does nothing to improve top end, and can make the midrange rough,


cheers for the input...

yeah I've looked into it but I've also heard that the htev delete is pointless without doing the box mod. I did see a guy on blades.org mentioning that the only way to actually see gains was to totally remove all the flapper mountings and all obstructions, that was the point in the PC3 as well to even everything out after it. I wasn't planning on doing the mods (maybe the htev since previous owners already removed the cable) until I could get it on a dyno.

Do you have experience with the airbox mod when you're saying there's no benefit? just trying to garner as much opinions as possible as this will be the first bike I've modded.

again thanks for the reply! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 02 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

5DeadHookersInMyCellar wrote:
Yeah man, its a username....I thought I'd joined bike chat forum not snowflakes chat forum. Not to mention being chastised by a girl promoting sunbeds and using an avatar of someone dressing up like some "influencer" in Dubai Rolling Eyes


It's a matter of practicality. Long usernames get cut off at the end. May I suggest "5DeadHoes" Wink
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
5DeadHookersInMyCellar wrote:
Yeah man, its a username....I thought I'd joined bike chat forum not snowflakes chat forum. Not to mention being chastised by a girl promoting sunbeds and using an avatar of someone dressing up like some "influencer" in Dubai Rolling Eyes


It's a matter of practicality. Long usernames get cut off at the end. May I suggest "5DeadHoes" Wink


I'm not all that bothered about the practicality if I'm honest, plus I'm a gardener and the thought of 5 dead hoes breaks my heart Crying or Very sad it's just a user name, if suntan sally wanna get all antsy about it that's up her. I got room down there for a civvy Thumbs Up Laughing
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PostPosted: 02:58 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

How will you measure the increase in performance after you make these modifications? Do you have objective baseline data, a dyno run perhaps, or are you relying on seat-of-the-pants dyno data? Seems to me that you are going to great lengths to save money in your quest. In my opinion, those who are successful at eeking out performance improvements with power commander maps and airbox modifications tend to be people who know what they are doing. They don't generally come to BCF to ask how to do it. My advice to you is to avoid making any modifications that you cannot undo. Otherwise, you may have 5 dead hookers and a dead CBR954 in your celler. Wink
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PostPosted: 06:40 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

5DeadHookersInMyCellar wrote:
Ahahaha! What an asshole.

I'll take that as a compliment....from you. Cool
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PostPosted: 06:57 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
5DeadHookersInMyCellar wrote:
Ahahaha! What an asshole.

I'll take that as a compliment....from you. Cool


And I in turn will take that as you have nothing informative to chip in...

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PostPosted: 08:29 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe buy a PCIII for your bike rather than for a different model? Also, maybe change your username?
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Maybe buy a PCIII for your bike rather than for a different model? Also, maybe change your username?


The PC3 is for my bike, again read the initial post rather than skimming over it then pretending you know what you’re on about. The PC3 for the 929 is the exact same unit. It’s a map conflict that was my issue which has since been resolved with the aid of the manufacturer.

As for the user name... Really? Another snowflake? I’m beginning to see why this site isn’t as popular nowadays. Full of pompous pricks...

I can see no one is actually going to offer a proper answer. It’s funny how many of you attempt to hide your lack of knowledge by using school boy condescension....

I live in hope for an articulate response.

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PostPosted: 08:45 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting bent out of shape is not going to get you a better answer. I owned a 954RR for a year and I spent a lot of time doing work on it. I can't answer your question about bad maps or whatever because I don't know.

Here's a bit of a reality check for you: This question is SO specific, I'd be surprised if anyone on this forum knows the answer.

The BEST thing to do would be to as follows:

1.) Contact someone who does know IE a company experienced with dyno tuning and PCIII specifically.

2.) Take their advice.

3.) Wind your neck in.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, someone on the verge of flouncing in the workshop and I wasn't involved.

Appologies all for being remiss. Normal service will be resumed shortly.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

5DeadHookersInMyCellar wrote:
xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Leave the air box alone. It does nothing to improve top end, and can make the midrange rough,


cheers for the input...

yeah I've looked into it but I've also heard that the htev delete is pointless without doing the box mod. I did see a guy on blades.org mentioning that the only way to actually see gains was to totally remove all the flapper mountings and all obstructions, that was the point in the PC3 as well to even everything out after it. I wasn't planning on doing the mods (maybe the htev since previous owners already removed the cable) until I could get it on a dyno.

Do you have experience with the airbox mod when you're saying there's no benefit? just trying to garner as much opinions as possible as this will be the first bike I've modded.

again thanks for the reply! Thumbs Up


On the 954, not personally but one of my friends tried it and in his words "it ran like a dog".

I looked into similar when I had my 929, but decided not to bother after reading other people's stories on it.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know anything specific about this bike but sometimes you get so deep into things it's worth getting a separate set of eyes on just as a sanity check.

For example, I was quite happy with my DT restoration and did the usual "show it off to ppl I know, much smugness, etc." one of whom was an MoT checker and they spotted some minor things I'd missed. It's good to have your ego taken down a peg or two from time to time Smile

Anyhoo, while it might feel like throwing money away on a dyno tune or the like you really are into some heavy duty stuff. Most of the first posts here are "my 125 ran out of oil now it won't go!" Wink
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would prefer for it just to accept my maps without pissing about since the 929/954 PC3 were the same unit.

All that you’ve described would suggest that this is not the case.

MarJay wrote:
Maybe buy a PCIII for your bike rather than for a different model?

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PostPosted: 20:37 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post number 5:

https://www.fireblades.org/threads/help-me-power-commander-for-954-on-a-929.80299/
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PostPosted: 01:39 - 04 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
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I would prefer for it just to accept my maps without pissing about since the 929/954 PC3 were the same unit.

All that you’ve described would suggest that this is not the case.

MarJay wrote:
Maybe buy a PCIII for your bike rather than for a different model?

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Stumbled across this as I have been looking into the same mod for my 929. You’re actually wrong. If you read his comment he’s said he’s rectified it with the manufacturer, so unless you know more than them you’re wrong. I can confirm when I bought my PC3 from power commander they asked me whether it was a 939/954. They explained the maps are a different type to prevent any errors and if they preload a 929 unit with a 954 map then a reset would be required to allow the module to accept the new map. It’s a safety feature.

The connectors are different on both bikes, the 929 has a shallower plug and there’s actually a removable adapter fitted to deepen the plug to fit to the 954. Again all confirmed by manufacturer.

The guys also got a point on how you guys treat peaople. It’s one of the reasons I lurk rather than post because of the downright arrogance of 90% of you all.

So yeah... Fire on OP. The mod is reversible and from my research there seems to be around a 35% of people notice a power increase (although this is on the 929, I think the 954 less so) but it’s worth a punt especially if you’re killing time during lockdown.

Feel free to pm me. That’s how I operate in here. Weed out the numerous assholes and look for the genuine folk!
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PostPosted: 07:17 - 04 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

SmokeMeAKipper wrote:
The guys also got a point on how you guys treat peaople. It’s one of the reasons I lurk rather than post because of the downright arrogance of 90% of you all.
So yeah... Fire on OP.

With all due respect, the OP only received feedback for language that he was so freely dishing out with his belligerent attitude. There has been no profanity in this thread but for the condescending crap proffered by the OP. OK, my post maybe might have contained language intended to spark further discussion, but to be frank, I found the OP to be unnecessarily abusive, and chose not to ignore it this time. What goes around comes around, so they say. If you follow the Guidelines for posting on BCF, you'll be amazed at how easy it is to get along here.
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 04 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
SmokeMeAKipper wrote:
The guys also got a point on how you guys treat peaople. It’s one of the reasons I lurk rather than post because of the downright arrogance of 90% of you all.
So yeah... Fire on OP.

With all due respect, the OP only received feedback for language that he was so freely dishing out with his belligerent attitude. There has been no profanity in this thread but for the condescending crap proffered by the OP. OK, my post maybe might have contained language intended to spark further discussion, but to be frank, I found the OP to be unnecessarily abusive, and chose not to ignore it this time. What goes around comes around, so they say. If you follow the Guidelines for posting on BCF, you'll be amazed at how easy it is to get along here.


Well with all due respect I think your language was more to belittle than to “spark further debate” some people don’t take shit, especially when he’s been a new user and his welcome was nothing but people having a go. He gave quite concise information about what he was after and has been nothing but polite to the people responding respectfully to him. So really you can spin it however you wish. There was no attempt at polite conversation or the attempt to respectfully gather further information on his query. Just snipey passive aggressive comments and unfortunately I see this all to often which I why I do not engage in posts in general. So I’m sorry but I completely disagree with you. OK.

And that’s all I’m interested in saying on the matter. Have a nice day...
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 04 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

SmokeMeAKipper wrote:
Stumbled across this as I have been looking into the same mod for my 929. You’re actually wrong. If you read his comment he’s said he’s rectified it with the manufacturer, so unless you know more than them you’re wrong. I can confirm when I bought my PC3 from power commander they asked me whether it was a 939/954. They explained the maps are a different type to prevent any errors and if they preload a 929 unit with a 954 map then a reset would be required to allow the module to accept the new map. It’s a safety feature.


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It’s a map conflict that was my issue which has since been resolved with the aid of the manufacturer.

It’s all good then.
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I'm planning to reset then update the firmware on the pc3 to see if that will allow me to load the desired maps but I've seen reports of them getting stuck in boot mode when doing this.

Just do what the manufacturer advised. Or did they not advise...?

Can you see why people have politely suggested it would be wiser to use the right tool for the job? It’s a valid comment. If you’d rather carry on that’s fair enough, maybe someone will be along in a moment with the answer you want, but there’s no reason to get so upset about it.
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