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PostPosted: 18:08 - 24 Feb 2021    Post subject: Honda CX650. Reply with quote

Does anyone have any experience of one of these? I've seen a mid 80's bike in remarkably good condition and, I must admit, I quite like the looks of it.

However I'd never heard of the model till I saw this one. At least I have no memory of it.

Were they crap? Were they reasonable bikes to ride?
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 24 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which one, the 650 Euro or 650 Custom?
( there was also a 650 turbo)
They had more power than the 500 of course and had many similarities to the 500s but with an actual sump and electric fan as standard

The starter motor and auto cam chain tensioner was the same as the 500
The auto cam chain tensioners were fine but suffered from owner neglect usually on the assumption they'd last for say 100K
Wrong.
When any CX cam chain wears it starts to trash and this eventually knocks the arse out of the tensioner while chewing lumps out of the casing in turn polluting the oil with an alloy slurry.
Change a CX cam chain in good time to avoid these problems
I'd assume any CX cam chain life cycle to be say 30K to be safe.

The starter gear is the same as the 500 yet has to do more work
and this added to a slightly more advanced low speed timing could
knock the arse out of the sprag clutch and at times kick back in a very alarming way.
I made delay box for my mates 650 which held the sparks back for
20mS to allow the lump to spin up briefly before 'lighting the fires'
No more big bangs.

I use 650 ignition components in my 500 and the Ti system is usually pretty robust and reliable

Plastics and cosmetic panels will be like rocking horse shit to find

The mono shock suspension can rot and sieze if neglected so best get under and examine closely

Frames 650 or 500 can rot around the rear engine hangers so another good place for a good look.

I bet the fuel gauge doesn't work, most senders rotted away in the tank years ago

Wiring is almost identical to the 500 Ti bikes

Brake discs used to be hard and expensive to find, so check em

In general The guys I knew with them liked them but they didn't make anywhere near as many 650s as they did the 500
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 24 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I'm rantin on...
the 650s actually have a 674cc engine
moar powah!
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 24 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't there a 650 Silverwing as well around the same time.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 24 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah!
Course there was, I forgot that.
The Interstate was the fully dressed version as I recall.
kind of a lightweight Goldwing sorta thing

All the same engine more or less
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 01 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit of a bruiser of a bike, big heavy and stable with interesting torque reaction. Borrowed one for a while and quite liked it.
I know the manifolds are impossible to get or were 20 years ago.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 01 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's basically a 2-wheeled car.

Pretty sure I read that was the design brief. A bit like the PC800 which came along later (the design brief, not the bike).
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 01 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Bit of a bruiser of a bike, big heavy and stable with interesting torque reaction. Borrowed one for a while and quite liked it.
I know the manifolds are impossible to get or were 20 years ago.

My CX500B had a big comfy seat to cosset my young and perfectly formed bum, much missed when I went on to a GPz750 straight afterwards. When you revved the CX at a standstill I have vague memories of it doing something weird like lifting up at the back or maybe lowering itself for a second.

My mate who was still on L plates stuck a sidecar on a CX500A and rode around with L plates and his girlfriend in the chair. Passed his test on the combination and just took the side car off, that was all you needed to do then. He later bought a Eurosport version, seemed so futuristic looking at the time.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 01 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

yen_powell wrote:
When you revved the CX at a standstill I have vague memories of it doing something weird like lifting up at the back or maybe lowering itself for a second.


It twisted sideways when revved at a standstill and tried to lay on it's side, torque reaction from the crank. When you accelerated or decelerated it went up or down, can't remember which.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 01 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
yen_powell wrote:
When you revved the CX at a standstill I have vague memories of it doing something weird like lifting up at the back or maybe lowering itself for a second.


It twisted sideways when revved at a standstill and tried to lay on it's side, torque reaction from the crank. When you accelerated or decelerated it went up or down, can't remember which.
That was probably exactly what it did at a standstill, hard to recall after 37 years, Jesus that is a long time ago. I never noticed any difference when riding along, probably not sensitive enough or more likely was going too gently to make it misbehave.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 01 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were they not the go to courier bikes of their time, along with the Kwack GT550. I seem to remember there being warnings of bikes for sale with mileages doctored by way of disconnected speedos.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 01 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deffo some torque reaction revving at say lights despite the contra-rotating clutch
but dont recall any or much lift drop on acceleration.
I only ever had 500s though.

You can buy new aftermarket manifolds for the the early single spined frame ZABC 500s where the carbs straddled the spine.
Cheap too, I bought two sets.

Later bikes 500 and 650 alike had triple spined frames and monshock
where the carbs were mounted close together to fit between the outer frame and had manifolds to suit.

You'd probably have to resort to burglary, extortion or blackmail
to get a decent set of second hand manifolds for these nowadays
650 types would be even harder
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 02 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Were they not the go to courier bikes of their time, along with the Kwack GT550. I seem to remember there being warnings of bikes for sale with mileages doctored by way of disconnected speedos.


The CX (or plastic maggot) was the weapon of choice for a lot of dispatchers, along with Wet Dreams, which were very popular with couriers who were still on L plates.

The GT took a little while to catch on, not helped by the fact that the early version had a design flaw, which meant if you mounted a box on the rack it came with, then put much more than a toothbrush in it, they had a habit of snapping the frame.

As a courier at the time, I was never a fan of the CX - I rode a few and never got on with them, they were all day comfortable, but they were heavy in general and top heavy in particular, with not very confidence inspiring handling.

If you were working London, you would see hundreds of them every day, but you never saw anybody really chucking one around and if somebody came carving past you on some twisties, they wouldn't be on a CX.

I did own a 650 Turbo for about 10 minutes (I had an example of all the Big 4 turbos at some point) but that was out of idle curiosity and the curiosity waned very quickly.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 02 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
Deffo some torque reaction revving at say lights despite the contra-rotating clutch
but dont recall any or much lift drop on acceleration.
I only ever had 500s though.



Maybe we're just used to it?




The below is an interesting despatch series that features the CX (500) an awful lot in the passing pictures...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKZ9VoBw654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MYicByaeD0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOfk8u4wnRs
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 03 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blurredman wrote:


Maybe we're just used to it?




The below is an interesting despatch series that features the CX (500) an awful lot in the passing pictures...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKZ9VoBw654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MYicByaeD0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOfk8u4wnRs


That brings it all back.

I was in the era before that, when we had extra large Rickman fibreglass top boxes, so you could fit a radio receiver/transmitter in them, with a whip aerial bolted to the top, a mic on a coiled cable bungeed to the seat and a speaker wherever you could hear it - no earplugs for us!

Seemed all very glamorous to outsiders and provided a wealth of funny/macho anecdotes, but it was a shit job then and still is now, except now they have it even worse, because we were earning serious money in the 80s.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 10 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:

I was in the era before that, when we had extra large Rickman fibreglass top boxes, so you could fit a radio receiver/transmitter in them, with a whip aerial bolted to the top, a mic on a coiled cable bungeed to the seat and a speaker wherever you could hear it - no earplugs for us!

Seemed all very glamorous to outsiders and provided a wealth of funny/macho anecdotes, but it was a shit job then and still is now, except now they have it even worse, because we were earning serious money in the 80s.


They were great days.
I did a short stint while I was between jobs and quickly realised I wasn't cut out for it.
I remember back in the 80's the top riders were on £400+ a week which today is probably the equivalent of a grand.
Good money and of course the Honda CX was the backbone of the industry.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 11 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

My CX was a replacement (2nd hand, X reg) for an A reg XS250 that I had bought new and was an absolute horror to start, despite it having electric and kick start.

I worked for a short while for a despatch company in Romford and what should I see parked outside but my XS250. I asked the new owner what it was like for starting and he answered straight away with a shouted 'fine, fuck off' to me. He swapped it for a CB400 very shortly afterwards.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 11 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blurredman wrote:
The below is an interesting despatch series that features the CX (500) an awful lot in the passing pictures...


Thanks, Blurredman, for these very interesting video links. Not much experience riding in a dense urban environment (motorways excepted), this gives me a real appreciation for the skills required to navigate crowded streets. Saw this article some years ago, reposting here in case others may not have seen it.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 11 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
Blurredman wrote:
The below is an interesting despatch series that features the CX (500) an awful lot in the passing pictures...


Thanks, Blurredman, for these very interesting video links. Not much experience riding in a dense urban environment (motorways excepted), this gives me a real appreciation for the skills required to navigate crowded streets. Saw this article some years ago, reposting here in case others may not have seen it.


I love the bit about running a flat rear tyre "bit tricky on roundabouts" Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 11 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is an entertaining article, for sure. I've reposted it several times on various forums; always in response to someone asking, "how many miles is considered high mileage on a motorcycle?".
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