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And Jealousy yellow, Unfortunate fellow, We drown in the shimmering blue, tra la...
"At Level 0:
you can meet socially in groups:
of up to 8 people from 4 households in your home or theirs – and can stay overnight
of up to 10 people from 4 households in an indoor public place like a café, pub or restaurant
of up to 15 people from 15 households outdoors
under 12s do not count towards the total number of people or households meeting outside but count towards the household numbers indoors
you do not need to physically distance from family and friends in a private home
you can travel anywhere in Scotland in Levels 0, 1 or 2 but must not enter a Level 3 or 4 area unless for a permitted reason
you can travel anywhere in England, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands - before you travel you must check the travel rules in those countries
you can provide informal childcare, for example to look after a grandchild
up to 200 people can attend weddings and funerals
tradespeople can carry out any work in your home such as painting, decorating or repairing
you should work from home where possible"
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Islander wrote: |
And Jealousy yellow, Unfortunate fellow, We drown in the shimmering blue, tra la... |
I have yet to notice any effects of any pandemic, claimed* or real
Oh, I pull a bike neck tube up over my face when I go to rob shop in Tesco, that's it.
Didn't bother to read all that nonsense in italics you posted - why would I?
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Easy-X wrote: | 7pm tomorrow: Triggernometry Live with Brett Weinstein "Did Covid come from a lab?" |
This would be a lot less controversial if we treated China, or rather the CCP, the way it deserves to be treated anyway, pandemic or no pandemic - with great suspicion. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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doggone wrote: | The original lockdown all those months ago was three weeks to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed by flattening the curve.
It never was overwhelmed and now we are having a further four week extension well over a year later for what exactly? |
I have a question. If we had a government that so starved the NHS of funds that it virtually collapsed even in the absence of any health emergencies, would we lock down the country? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Easy-X wrote: | 7pm tomorrow: Triggernometry Live with Brett Weinstein "Did Covid come from a lab?" |
Yeah, ‘cos those inferior Asians were dabbling with something they couldn’t control. Racist crap. |
Jimbo, what kind of straw man thing are you pushing here? Racism?!  ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | doggone wrote: |
Except that same lab has had several previous incidents well documented. |
Links? |
Be careful here doggone! I wouldn't bother answering. That "racist" comment tells me he's playing a deceitful game!  ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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It's not just that Lab here's a piece in the Independent they are all notoriously leaky.
Https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/scott-gottlieb-covid-wuhan-lab-leaks-b1856813.html
The last (smaller) foot and Mouth outbreak in the UK was caused by a lab washing stuff down the sink which rain into a ditch in cow pasture because the drain had been broken for years.
Complacency always creeps in and usually nothing bad happens.
There is a school of thought that nothing particularly bad has happened this time either but the 'pandemic' is largely being maintained by PCR testing indicating positives from any trace of viral particles which people may have harmlessly carried for years.
It's not much of pandemic when most victims don't know they have it and death rate is below normal for several weeks now.
But lets just control and regulate peoples lives for month after month because the hospitals might get overwhelmed.
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doggone wrote: | It's not just that Lab here's a piece in the Independent they are all notoriously leaky.
Https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/scott-gottlieb-covid-wuhan-lab-leaks-b1856813.html
The last (smaller) foot and Mouth outbreak in the UK was caused by a lab washing stuff down the sink which rain into a ditch in cow pasture because the drain had been broken for years.
Complacency always creeps in and usually nothing bad happens.
There is a school of thought that nothing particularly bad has happened this time either but the 'pandemic' is largely being maintained by PCR testing indicating positives from any trace of viral particles which people may have harmlessly carried for years.
It's not much of pandemic when most victims don't know they have it and death rate is below normal for several weeks now.
But lets just control and regulate peoples lives for month after month because the hospitals might get overwhelmed.
It's like Health and Safety gone mad. |
I'm not saying It is correct but there may be a possibility that it is not prosecuted like criminal activities.
A bit like suing a doctor when he makes a mistake.
There is for sure a moral duty to first do no harm.
But we must also consider the well meaning attitude and a doctor's responsible diligence when they have done what could be judged as reasonable.
Doctors do not enjoy the effects of harm. (I'd say the majority do that job to use their skills to help others.)
Labs doing humanitarian work or work in many health areas are possibly given some benefit.
And people are human and error is not impossible. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Protecting the NHS from being overwhelmed.
Treatment of bad covid requires intubation which requires anaesthesia and then constant monitoring by medics.
The machinery is what is being protected.
If numbers surge to levels higher than equipment available then people may not be saved by that means of intervention. |
Where is the threat of the NHS being overwhelmed at this point? What is your evidence to show that this is a realistic worry right now?
I am hearing that even those going into hospital are now generally requiring less drastic treatments and that the strains of the virus now around are either less nasty, or people are better protected with either the vaccine or natural immunity, or the new strains are generally affecting younger folks more who are better able to withstand it.
China or Russia (or perhaps even that demented Biden chap) might decide that global nuclear war is a good option for them. Have you built your shelter yet?
Quote: | I do not have data to support this |
No shit Sherlock
Quote: | Another thing, influenza would easily overwhelm a health service too but to offset the effects of flu we have vaccination policy which is continuously tweaked for each new pathogen strain. So flu and the fact that we have a 'cure" for it is not a great example to champion for herd immunity. |
Flu and most other vaccines are AT BEST about 50% effective. Sometimes, flu vaccines are very disappointing in their efficacy.
Who are we protecting the NHS for? If it is so fragile that even an annual flu epidemic could overwhelm it, is it even fit for purpose? Have we so much put it on a pedestal that we're now blind to the fact that it is failing anyway? Is it really the Wizard of Oz's man behind the curtain?
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As far as delaying restrictions - vaccinating another 10m people fully is worth the wait. Most stuff is trickling into open anyway. After this long, another 4 to 6 weeks isn't the end of the world. |
I can't say I exactly admire your faith in the government, but it does impress me, sort of. I suppose it's nice in a way that some people still trust them.
Of course the reality on or around July 19th will be, "Covid still exists, so if we lock down just a little bit longer, we'll be able to get rid of it entirely."
And if it really is nearly eliminated, why wouldn't you?
This will extend into autumn, as the colds and flu season approaches and cases start to rise again. "Let's just get this winter behind us..." ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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UncleBFester wrote: | I don't think it will extend past that - if there's a continuation of masks / good hygiene then who cares, it's good practice. |
But I thought the complaint was that people aren't following good hygiene practice? You know, those nasty 'general public' types that you and I are so distinct from?
Quote: | I don't think the Govt have any desire to drag this out despite what the conspiracy theorists might want people to think. |
Of course they don't want to. But they might be determined not to be the ones who relaxed 'too soon'
Quote: | If a strain comes along that totally bypasses the vaccines effectiveness then time for a rethink but if it's just the odd one or two here and there who are carking it and there's a few off work sick ( like the flu and with flu like symptoms at worse) then it's back to business as usual. |
Pretty much where we are now, isn't it? How many are in hospital right now? How many died in the last week? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Why don't you all go back and re read this thread where we (nearly) all slagged off the lockdown and how corona was nothing bad. Then the second wave was never coming (it did). Most of us were talking utter shite then because it all rather turned to ratshit.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=329639&start=250&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
Really, if we get another wave despite the vaccine we (as in the country) are going to blame Boris and the gov for not locking down. If there is no spike we are going to blame him for not opening up. Rightly so, he gets paid the pennys to do the job of looking after 70 million cunts.
So to sum up the situation at present.........
Starmer will wade in with utter bollox and Diane will say Blacks never had it so bad. Every other FB article will ask for money for our brothers and sisters in India. WWF want donations for polarbears . Macron will still hate us. Val won't turn into a frog. I will drink a bottle of rum this weekend and everyone on here will still spout rubbish. (But no where near as much as any politician).
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Polarbear wrote: |
Really, if we get another wave despite the vaccine we (as in the country) are going to blame Boris and the gov for not locking down. If there is no spike we are going to blame him for not opening up. Rightly so, he gets paid the pennys to do the job of looking after 70 million cunts. |
If he keeps us locked down though, he can say he saved more lives. How do you get out of that one?
Starmer and Labour aren't going to rock the boat too much cos where they are they don't have to take any responsibility, and they're fecked enough as it is without getting into unnecessary fights they can't win.
Basically, this country is now a country of cowards, totally risk-averse to the point of complete stagnation. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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At the moment, the Government is not consulting parliament, and lock down policy is done on the fly with a whisper in the PMs ear, rather than full and open debate.
People have lost all perspective, we're operating under war conditions, against a virus. A virus with a low overall death rate.
I calculated over the next 30 years, covering on average 4k miles per year, I'm around 4.8% likely to die while riding a motorcycle.
This is way higher risk than dying of/with Covid, unless I die while riding within 28 days of them swabbing my decapitated skull for a positive PCR test.
Will I stop riding? What about fatty bum-bum smokey boozer people who engage in unprotected sex against a skip round the back of the chippy? Will we as a nation protect them from themselves for the benefit of reduced NHS expenditure or overloading?
What about-ism aside, oh lockdown is only for three weeks, three months, just another three weeks, oh we've had lockdowns before, what harm is another one, two, five?
We're being protected from ourselves by the overseers, without being allowed to be ourselves. ____________________
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UncleBFester wrote: | The problem is that none of this affects me. None of it will change my behaviour.
Open / not open. Restricted / Not restricted.
Until the vaccination program is completed ( well as near as possible) I'm quite happy trundling along as I can do all of the things that i reasonably want to do with the sole exception of Air Travel abroad. Dirty feckers who are at least vaccinated i'll take my chance with if the desire for foreign travel is strong enough.
I'd already accepted that common sense dictated 2022 at least so my expectations are realistically set. |
So it's all about you now, is it?
At least you're not a disingenuous virtue signaller pretending you give a feck about others who you don't know, and in reality, if honest, couldn't give a toss about. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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