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PostPosted: 18:58 - 14 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What GP? Laughing

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PostPosted: 19:11 - 14 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's all this lockdown stuff? We're in level 0 here - virtually normal. Razz

You’ve simply been abandoned. Just don’t try to leave.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 14 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's all this lockdown stuff? We're in level 0 here - virtually normal. Razz


Otoh, there's your version of normal...

Razz Laughing


And Jealousy yellow, Unfortunate fellow, We drown in the shimmering blue, tra la... Razz Laughing

"At Level 0:

you can meet socially in groups:

of up to 8 people from 4 households in your home or theirs – and can stay overnight
of up to 10 people from 4 households in an indoor public place like a café, pub or restaurant
of up to 15 people from 15 households outdoors

under 12s do not count towards the total number of people or households meeting outside but count towards the household numbers indoors

you do not need to physically distance from family and friends in a private home

you can travel anywhere in Scotland in Levels 0, 1 or 2 but must not enter a Level 3 or 4 area unless for a permitted reason

you can travel anywhere in England, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands - before you travel you must check the travel rules in those countries

you can provide informal childcare, for example to look after a grandchild

up to 200 people can attend weddings and funerals

tradespeople can carry out any work in your home such as painting, decorating or repairing

you should work from home where possible"


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PostPosted: 19:22 - 14 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And Jealousy yellow, Unfortunate fellow, We drown in the shimmering blue, tra la... Razz Laughing


I have yet to notice any effects of any pandemic, claimed* or real Mr. Green

Oh, I pull a bike neck tube up over my face when I go to rob shop in Tesco, that's it.

Didn't bother to read all that nonsense in italics you posted - why would I? Laughing


*that should melt a few snowflakes Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 14 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

7pm tomorrow: Triggernometry Live with Brett Weinstein "Did Covid come from a lab?"
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 14 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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7pm tomorrow: Triggernometry Live with Brett Weinstein "Did Covid come from a lab?"


This would be a lot less controversial if we treated China, or rather the CCP, the way it deserves to be treated anyway, pandemic or no pandemic - with great suspicion.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 14 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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7pm tomorrow: Triggernometry Live with Brett Weinstein "Did Covid come from a lab?"

Yeah, ‘cos those inferior Asians were dabbling with something they couldn’t control. Racist crap.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 14 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The original lockdown all those months ago was three weeks to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed by flattening the curve.
It never was overwhelmed and now we are having a further four week extension well over a year later for what exactly?


I have a question. If we had a government that so starved the NHS of funds that it virtually collapsed even in the absence of any health emergencies, would we lock down the country?
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 14 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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7pm tomorrow: Triggernometry Live with Brett Weinstein "Did Covid come from a lab?"

Yeah, ‘cos those inferior Asians were dabbling with something they couldn’t control. Racist crap.



Question Eh?

Jimbo, what kind of straw man thing are you pushing here? Racism?! Confused Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 14 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, ‘cos those inferior Asians were dabbling with something they couldn’t control. Racist crap.

Except that same lab has had several previous incidents well documented.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 14 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

Yeah, ‘cos those inferior Asians were dabbling with something they couldn’t control. Racist crap.

Except that same lab has had several previous incidents well documented.

Links?
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 14 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Except that same lab has had several previous incidents well documented.

Links?


Be careful here doggone! I wouldn't bother answering. That "racist" comment tells me he's playing a deceitful game! Laughing
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PostPosted: 05:11 - 15 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the Chinarus adapts to those it can infect .... most folk will be vaccinated soon. Double vaccination and the suggested 2 to 3 weeks after that to be fully effective seems to be working in terms of numbers needing more than just a few days in bed IF infected at all.

Leaving the antivax lot and Chickenman

It's a good job you don't like many folk and see even less. You'll probably be OK. Probably.

Out of casual interest, given the mortality rates of 'cancers' ( allegedly 1 in 2) I wonder how many of the concerned AntiVaxx brigade have made a trip to their GP to see if they have teh bad aids .....

Even if i end up carking it from that it's a fact that will amuse me to my grave.

Almost like a bunch of desert dwellers concerning themselves with the side effects of frostbite and polar bear attacks whilst ignoring how to deal with sunstroke and sunburn.

As far as delaying restrictions - vaccinating another 10m people fully is worth the wait. Most stuff is trickling into open anyway. After this long, another 4 to 6 weeks isn't the end of the world.
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PostPosted: 06:33 - 15 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
I blame chickenstrip. We’ve done what we can but it’s time to cast him adrift and let this ship sail on. Wink

Seriously I’m not happy with this further extension to the lockdown and I didn’t catch why it’s happening. Something to do with non-COVID patients? Are we still “protecting the NHS,” and should we have to? It’s what it’s there for.


For sure this will bring the wrath of the nae sayers upon me.

Protecting the NHS from being overwhelmed.

Treatment of bad covid requires intubation which requires anaesthesia and then constant monitoring by medics.
The machinery is what is being protected.

If numbers surge to levels higher than equipment available then people may not be saved by that means of intervention.

As vaccine effects produce wider immunity the numbers of people vulnerable and at risk of a need to be ventilated becomes manageable.

I do not have data to support this but it's the most common sense reason I can think of. Based on what we've been told.

Another thing, influenza would easily overwhelm a health service too but to offset the effects of flu we have vaccination policy which is continuously tweaked for each new pathogen strain. So flu and the fact that we have a 'cure" for it is not a great example to champion for herd immunity.
Covid19 is relatively new so viral research is behind that curve.
With the work being done and evidence collected on a world wide scale we may beat covid19 out of the ability to affect humans. As it evolves out of reach.
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PostPosted: 07:06 - 15 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not just that Lab here's a piece in the Independent they are all notoriously leaky.
Https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/scott-gottlieb-covid-wuhan-lab-leaks-b1856813.html

The last (smaller) foot and Mouth outbreak in the UK was caused by a lab washing stuff down the sink which rain into a ditch in cow pasture because the drain had been broken for years.
Complacency always creeps in and usually nothing bad happens.

There is a school of thought that nothing particularly bad has happened this time either but the 'pandemic' is largely being maintained by PCR testing indicating positives from any trace of viral particles which people may have harmlessly carried for years.

It's not much of pandemic when most victims don't know they have it and death rate is below normal for several weeks now.
But lets just control and regulate peoples lives for month after month because the hospitals might get overwhelmed.
It's like Health and Safety gone mad.
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 15 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
It's not just that Lab here's a piece in the Independent they are all notoriously leaky.
Https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/scott-gottlieb-covid-wuhan-lab-leaks-b1856813.html

The last (smaller) foot and Mouth outbreak in the UK was caused by a lab washing stuff down the sink which rain into a ditch in cow pasture because the drain had been broken for years.
Complacency always creeps in and usually nothing bad happens.

There is a school of thought that nothing particularly bad has happened this time either but the 'pandemic' is largely being maintained by PCR testing indicating positives from any trace of viral particles which people may have harmlessly carried for years.

It's not much of pandemic when most victims don't know they have it and death rate is below normal for several weeks now.
But lets just control and regulate peoples lives for month after month because the hospitals might get overwhelmed.
It's like Health and Safety gone mad.


I'm not saying It is correct but there may be a possibility that it is not prosecuted like criminal activities.
A bit like suing a doctor when he makes a mistake.

There is for sure a moral duty to first do no harm.
But we must also consider the well meaning attitude and a doctor's responsible diligence when they have done what could be judged as reasonable.
Doctors do not enjoy the effects of harm. (I'd say the majority do that job to use their skills to help others.)

Labs doing humanitarian work or work in many health areas are possibly given some benefit.

And people are human and error is not impossible.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 15 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Protecting the NHS from being overwhelmed.

Treatment of bad covid requires intubation which requires anaesthesia and then constant monitoring by medics.
The machinery is what is being protected.

If numbers surge to levels higher than equipment available then people may not be saved by that means of intervention.


Where is the threat of the NHS being overwhelmed at this point? What is your evidence to show that this is a realistic worry right now?
I am hearing that even those going into hospital are now generally requiring less drastic treatments and that the strains of the virus now around are either less nasty, or people are better protected with either the vaccine or natural immunity, or the new strains are generally affecting younger folks more who are better able to withstand it.

China or Russia (or perhaps even that demented Biden chap) might decide that global nuclear war is a good option for them. Have you built your shelter yet?

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I do not have data to support this


No shit Sherlock Laughing

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Another thing, influenza would easily overwhelm a health service too but to offset the effects of flu we have vaccination policy which is continuously tweaked for each new pathogen strain. So flu and the fact that we have a 'cure" for it is not a great example to champion for herd immunity.


Flu and most other vaccines are AT BEST about 50% effective. Sometimes, flu vaccines are very disappointing in their efficacy.

Who are we protecting the NHS for? If it is so fragile that even an annual flu epidemic could overwhelm it, is it even fit for purpose? Have we so much put it on a pedestal that we're now blind to the fact that it is failing anyway? Is it really the Wizard of Oz's man behind the curtain?

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PostPosted: 10:07 - 15 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As far as delaying restrictions - vaccinating another 10m people fully is worth the wait. Most stuff is trickling into open anyway. After this long, another 4 to 6 weeks isn't the end of the world.


I can't say I exactly admire your faith in the government, but it does impress me, sort of. I suppose it's nice in a way that some people still trust them.

Of course the reality on or around July 19th will be, "Covid still exists, so if we lock down just a little bit longer, we'll be able to get rid of it entirely."
And if it really is nearly eliminated, why wouldn't you?
This will extend into autumn, as the colds and flu season approaches and cases start to rise again. "Let's just get this winter behind us..."
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 15 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it will extend past that - if there's a continuation of masks / good hygiene then who cares, it's good practice.

I don't think the Govt have any desire to drag this out despite what the conspiracy theorists might want people to think.

If a strain comes along that totally bypasses the vaccines effectiveness then time for a rethink but if it's just the odd one or two here and there who are carking it and there's a few off work sick ( like the flu and with flu like symptoms at worse) then it's back to business as usual.

That's my 'faith' in Govt and science. I completely see why it's good sense to delay until 10m more are double vaccinated.

How each individual wants to play within the scope of what's available as options is down to them.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 15 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think it will extend past that - if there's a continuation of masks / good hygiene then who cares, it's good practice.


But I thought the complaint was that people aren't following good hygiene practice? You know, those nasty 'general public' types that you and I are so distinct from? Laughing

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Of course they don't want to. But they might be determined not to be the ones who relaxed 'too soon' Rolling Eyes

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If a strain comes along that totally bypasses the vaccines effectiveness then time for a rethink but if it's just the odd one or two here and there who are carking it and there's a few off work sick ( like the flu and with flu like symptoms at worse) then it's back to business as usual.


Pretty much where we are now, isn't it? How many are in hospital right now? How many died in the last week?
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 15 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is that none of this affects me. None of it will change my behaviour.

Open / not open. Restricted / Not restricted.

Until the vaccination program is completed ( well as near as possible) I'm quite happy trundling along as I can do all of the things that i reasonably want to do with the sole exception of Air Travel abroad. Dirty feckers who are at least vaccinated i'll take my chance with if the desire for foreign travel is strong enough.

I'd already accepted that common sense dictated 2022 at least so my expectations are realistically set.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 15 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you all go back and re read this thread where we (nearly) all slagged off the lockdown and how corona was nothing bad. Then the second wave was never coming (it did). Most of us were talking utter shite then because it all rather turned to ratshit. Laughing

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=329639&start=250&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Really, if we get another wave despite the vaccine we (as in the country) are going to blame Boris and the gov for not locking down. If there is no spike we are going to blame him for not opening up. Rightly so, he gets paid the pennys to do the job of looking after 70 million cunts.

So to sum up the situation at present.........

Starmer will wade in with utter bollox and Diane will say Blacks never had it so bad. Every other FB article will ask for money for our brothers and sisters in India. WWF want donations for polarbears Clapping. Macron will still hate us. Val won't turn into a frog. I will drink a bottle of rum this weekend and everyone on here will still spout rubbish. (But no where near as much as any politician).

Have a nice day.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 15 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Really, if we get another wave despite the vaccine we (as in the country) are going to blame Boris and the gov for not locking down. If there is no spike we are going to blame him for not opening up. Rightly so, he gets paid the pennys to do the job of looking after 70 million cunts.


If he keeps us locked down though, he can say he saved more lives. How do you get out of that one?
Starmer and Labour aren't going to rock the boat too much cos where they are they don't have to take any responsibility, and they're fecked enough as it is without getting into unnecessary fights they can't win.

Basically, this country is now a country of cowards, totally risk-averse to the point of complete stagnation.
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At the moment, the Government is not consulting parliament, and lock down policy is done on the fly with a whisper in the PMs ear, rather than full and open debate.

People have lost all perspective, we're operating under war conditions, against a virus. A virus with a low overall death rate.

I calculated over the next 30 years, covering on average 4k miles per year, I'm around 4.8% likely to die while riding a motorcycle.

This is way higher risk than dying of/with Covid, unless I die while riding within 28 days of them swabbing my decapitated skull for a positive PCR test.

Will I stop riding? What about fatty bum-bum smokey boozer people who engage in unprotected sex against a skip round the back of the chippy? Will we as a nation protect them from themselves for the benefit of reduced NHS expenditure or overloading?

What about-ism aside, oh lockdown is only for three weeks, three months, just another three weeks, oh we've had lockdowns before, what harm is another one, two, five?

We're being protected from ourselves by the overseers, without being allowed to be ourselves.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 15 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

UncleBFester wrote:
The problem is that none of this affects me. None of it will change my behaviour.

Open / not open. Restricted / Not restricted.

Until the vaccination program is completed ( well as near as possible) I'm quite happy trundling along as I can do all of the things that i reasonably want to do with the sole exception of Air Travel abroad. Dirty feckers who are at least vaccinated i'll take my chance with if the desire for foreign travel is strong enough.

I'd already accepted that common sense dictated 2022 at least so my expectations are realistically set.


So it's all about you now, is it? Laughing
At least you're not a disingenuous virtue signaller pretending you give a feck about others who you don't know, and in reality, if honest, couldn't give a toss about.
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