People with no or fake plates, how does it go?

[SirFallalot]

"Worried? I'm not stopping."

Everyone has got to know one or a couple of those guys. Some licensed and insured, some not.

My question is, how does it work out for them? I suppose the licensed/insured ones only do this when they know they'll me naughty, the others....all the time, which I'd image to be a pain.

Do police give chase? Only some (specially trained, or other biker officers), and how often?
Bikes are fast but once on carriageways/mway the interceptors (not sure if they're limited to 155mph) can easily can keep up with 600s, unless there's traffic, even then one will have sirens telling everyone to F off, the other will be recklessly driving to save his ass. Who wants to run away at 150+ mph anyway.

That's more of an extreme scenario, but if I had to take plates off it wouldn't be for commuting. I know someone who was speeding quite a bit in a 20 or 30, got stopped, told to slow down and sent on his way. He had no license, but bike was insured (so pc checked out ok I guess?), altho it'd be invalidated. Lucky man.
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[t121anf]

Don't know what it's like where you live but I rarely see a traffic car and ordinary police are few and far between.

Chances of being caught are slim, no plate = sorry officer it was there when I set off.

I once got pulled for no plates on the car, I had them in the car and was going to get fixings, iirc it was a standard £30 penalty at the time, compare that to an SP30 at the time, 3 points and £60 fine, it would be worth the risk.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Once again I'll point out lying to your insurance company will not invalidate your insurance. They can cancel your insurance once they find out but they can't cancel nit retrospectively even if you don't have a license and are liable for any third party insurance claims up till that point t so legally you are insured.

Caselaw says so.
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[Fat Angry Scotsman]

The Vehicle Registration Offences (Penalty Points) Bill hasn't even been given a second reading at the House of Commons yet, so it's still a long, long way off coming into force:

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/2794

As such, I believe the current legislation is the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations and the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994.

Section 42 of the latter makes driving without a registration mark and offence liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale, which according to the Sentencing Council is £1,000.

SOURCES:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2001/561/pdfs/uksi_20010561_en.pdf

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/part/III/crossheading/offences-relating-to-registration-marks

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/explanatory-material/magistrates-court/item/fines-and-financial-orders/approach-to-the-assessment-of-fines-2/9-maximum-fines/

In practice, I think only Traffic Police will bother to pull you over if they notice you don't have a plate. If you play the "oh I didn't realise officer" card you're likely to get a defect notice and you'll need to get a plate on the bike and the form stamped by an MOT centre and then send it back to the police in a certain number of days.

I imagine if you get caught again after that you'll go to court and possibly get a £1,000 fine.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Maximum of 1k but can be less depending on income. Level 3 was what I got for the 90 in a 50 and that was 465 + 180 cost + victim tax which I think is 10% of the fine.
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[Bhud]

You're right, everyone knows (of) someone like that nowadays.

I mind my own business, but there is someone who did that, I think 2 years ago now. I was curious because this guy just turned up one day down his street and at his own house, with a second hand 1000cc sports bike. He stopped and talked and showed off to anyone who would give him the time of day. He never wore a helmet. I don't think he's even held a bike licence.

During one summer I used to see him coming the other way, in a fairly busy town, on hot days with no helmet and no gear. I saw him a few times riding like that. His bike had a really small plate, too.

Anyway, the local rag has a magistrates' court reporting section. I skimmed over it one day, as you do, mostly curious about the names and ages. Then I saw the name of a street close by where I live. It was the same guy. He'd been convicted of failing to give details of a person who'd been "driving" a vehicle registered to him. He was slapped with a hefty fine and a ban.

The guy always seemed a bit of a chav. He's currently doing a Lance Armstrong thing with a bicycle now. Whatever he takes up for 2 weeks, he becomes an expert in and lets everyone else know. That sort of guy.

[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[Bhud]

[SirFallalot]

So from a % point of view, if you're going out to speed down somewhere and trigger every single camera on the way, you might as well put the plates in the back pack, and run away if flashed by some random officer you have slim chances of encountering? Then turn your jacket inside out when you next stop and put it back on? Wasn't me officer, I swear, been here all mornin' having this cuppa, did see the exact same bike flying down 5 mins ago.

Apart from speeding this also sounds alluring for places where half the journey budget is spent on road tolls, like portuguese mways when there's not really good alternate routes, heard spain and france are worse.

Guy I bought my zx9r from had 3 plates in different sizes for it, but said on his other bike it was well under the wheel well for "you know what". I never thought I'd hear that from someone about in his 60s...
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[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[UncleFester]

If you have a fake plate and you are filmed going through multiple cameras at warp speed and they stop you and find the fake plate - you'll get done. And you'll also get a whole load of other things thrown at you.

If you have no plate and nothing distinguishing in terms of lid / leathers than that makes it far more difficult to prove.

So whilst the game is not for me, if you're going to be a twat you might as well be the full twat.
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[SirFallalot]

Woah I don't mean to convey I'd have interest in partaking, just trying to understand what happens in these cases, since whenever I've asked, they just say they never stop, but as pointded out, unless the police just didn't care, it doesn't seem like there's good chances of escaping to put your life on the line.
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[SirFallalot]

What if you put your plate upside down
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[chickenstrip]

How things change!

When I were a lad, I did a runner from a cop car on a motorway, having passed him at about 130. The car came after me, caught me on a slip road exit. Got a severe bollocking, and sent on my way. My mate also got a bollocking for sticking on the rear bumper of the cop car as he chased me

Also when a lad, got done for a false plate and no insurance when a brand new bike waiting for British Forces Germany registration proved too tempting in the meantime. Can't remember the fine for the no insurance, certainly not more than £200, and 6 points, £50 fine for fraudulent use of number plate.

I wouldn't chance that kind of thing these days.
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[Weisse Schlange]

The cops absolutely do not like you legging it. Like really not.
If they do catch up, even if it's later and they are past being able to do you for the running event then they will throw everything they can at you and hope that some of it sticks.

I have a small plate and on 2 of my bikes it's velcroed on. One was my enduro and the full size plate was in my back pack.

Never been pulled for it and the last cop to notice was a bike plod who'd caught up when I pulled over and even he never took it further than a cursory comment.

No plate is only a fine, that's why Lambo and Ferrari drivers don't spoil the looks with a front plate. They just pay the fines, if they ever get one.

Fake plates ? potential world of pain, including (I suspect) Perverting the course of justice type pain.

We used to run about 5 Vespa or Lambrettas on the one plate to save costs.
Wouldn't try it now though.
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[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[SirFallalot]

I'd try it in portugal to see if the police car broke down before my tank emptied
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