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GettinBetter
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 22 Aug 2021    Post subject: Buying Wider Tyres Than Those In The Manual Reply with quote

So what's the consensus on wider tyres?
It's common for car owners to put wider than normal tyres on their wheels, but can bikers do the same? I don't mean to ridiculous sizes but 10mm on the width sort of thing...

Them that got 'em, want £315 for the pair, is that about par for the course?
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 22 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure you can use different tyre sizes on your motorcycle, however beware. Different tyre profiles mean different handling. I don't think 10 mm difference in width on the rear wheel will alter the handling significantly, but who knows. The front wheel, that could have a more dramatic effect.

Some people even use narrower tyres to make the handling quicker. I did so on a '88 GPz 550.

EDIT: Thinking of it, everytime I worn the tyres to the point they needed replacing and then put a fresh set of tyres on my wheels, the handling was altertered significantly, so don't worry about that much and just do it. It could, and probably is, a MOT fail, though. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 22 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
... It could, and probably is, a MOT fail, though. Thumbs Up


Cheers, I'll ask at my MOT shop... it's due soon. Although, I've got silly oversize tyres on my car, and never had an issue, might be the fact that he sold me the tyres.

I only ask because I spotted cracks in between the tread, plus they are really old, and the ones in the manual seem to be rarer than rocking horse shite, and nudging them up a bit may increase my options.
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 22 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you want to achieve by putting different size tyres on your bike?
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 22 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
What do you want to achieve by putting different size tyres on your bike?

It looks cooler + more smoke for burnouts?
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PostPosted: 05:02 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The physics of handling of a car is not the same as that of a bike. Put incorrect tyre sizes on a bike and you're all but guaranteed to f*ck up the handling.

In fact "It was OK on my car so it'll be OK on my bike" is awful logic.
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PostPosted: 05:35 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the miniscule contact patch between road and tyre, why you'd fit anything but the best / correct size is beyond me.

Cracks between the treads and really old? Common sense replace.

If i ever find myself rationalising spending money on new tyres for my bike when the old ones are done, it's time for me to sell the bike and stop riding.
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PostPosted: 06:57 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
What do you want to achieve by putting different size tyres on your bike?


Availability really, the sizes I want don't seem to be readily available.

It's got nothing to do with looking cool, or burnouts. Safety IS paramount. But Cost needs to be considered, I'm not just going to bung hundreds of quid at the first dealer that has the size.

So this (i.e. the homework) is all part of the joys of buying new tyres.

I need 120/80-17 61V front & 150/80-15 70V rear.

Surely having a slightly wider tyre couldn't be that bad, but I'll concede to any serious argument.

Currently they are Metzele ME880 Marathon, and IMO due to age and hardness are shite in the wet, so am looking to upgrade if poss', and the only option so far seems to be to import!
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PostPosted: 07:30 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:15 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The machine may have a recommendation based on engineered information and calculation.
Main issues are if the tyre can perform as tyre design was intended.
It's not Rocket Surgery but coz it fits the rim and passes between the forks doesn't mean it is better.
And it may look stupid, senseless or ghey to anyone in-the-know.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

15" rear and 17" front?
What bike - a 'cruiser'??
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

GettinBetter wrote:
Surely having a slightly wider tyre couldn't be that bad

If you fit tyres which are a different width or height than what's meant to be fitted then it will have an effect on how your bike handles. That doesn't necessarily meant the handling with be ruined as for some bikes fitting a different profile tyre is a well known mod.

You might want to adjust the suspension to compensate for the different size tyres but that won't change what the different size tyres do to the handling.

Help us out here... what bike is it?
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
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I've looked at those the speed rating is lower than my manuals spec.

Bike is in my sig'.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

GettinBetter wrote:

I've looked at those the speed rating is lower than my manuals spec.

Bike is in my sig'.


They are rated for 130MPH, I doubt your bike does 130MPH.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, some bikes have tyres just narrow enough to clear chains, huggers, swingarms, mudguards etc. and fitting wider tyres means you get rubbing which is dangerous.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
GettinBetter wrote:

I've looked at those the speed rating is lower than my manuals spec.

Bike is in my sig'.


They are rated for 130MPH, I doubt your bike does 130MPH.



What if I manage to find a hill, with the wind behind me slip streaming a Lambourgini?

MarJay wrote:
Also, some bikes have tyres just narrow enough to clear chains, huggers, swingarms, mudguards etc. and fitting wider tyres means you get rubbing which is dangerous.


Yep, I'll check all that before final ordering.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

GettinBetter wrote:

What if I manage to find a hill, with the wind behind me slip streaming a Lambourgini?


Still won't, drag from the tasseled arseless chaps will hold you back.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

GettinBetter wrote:
Bike is in my sig'.

BCF is many times better with signatures disabled. Mr. Green

Looking at your posts on BCF, we've had this conversation before with you refusing to say what your bike is.

Oh well, you can't be arsed to post what your bike is and I can't be arsed to post the information I've found about what mods need to be done to your bike if fitting different size tyres. Smile
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha sold the FZR1000R and Ru with 130/60x17 on the front 3.5" rim and a 170/60x17 on the rear 5.5" rim.But Pirelli,Metzeler,Michelin etc all specify a 120/70x17 front and a 180/55x17 on the rear.I have ridden the bike with OEM and specified sizes and no mods were required.If anything I cannot recollect feeling any differences.

I would suggest approaching a tyre supplier and asking what is specified for the PO owners machine.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
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BCF is many times better with signatures disabled....


Well that's your opinion, but sigs' are a bonafide forum option and I like them.
However just for you it's a Honda VF750C Magna, and of course because, I do actually want your input Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

GettinBetter wrote:


What if I manage to find a hill, with the wind behind me slip streaming a Lambourgini?



Then it stops you losing your licence for doing 131mph in a 50.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 23 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

GettinBetter wrote:
MarJay wrote:
Also, some bikes have tyres just narrow enough to clear chains, huggers, swingarms, mudguards etc. and fitting wider tyres means you get rubbing which is dangerous.

Yep, I'll check all that before final ordering.

This also varies by brand and even model of tyre. It's a regular thing with people trying to shoehorn 190 section tyres on a (non-stock) 180 rim, without rubbing on the swingarm, on a 4th gen VFR750. Some will, some won't. All are pants on turn in and are generally ran on bikes that do very few miles, or have another set of rims to swap out with "normal" size tyres on it.

I noticed a huge difference between the same tyre (Dunlop Roadsmart 2) on rims designed for 170 (stock) and 180 (different model wheel) tyres. Both will mount up perfectly safely, but one turns in nice and predictably, one "flops" in with far less progression or confidence. This is different to a more aggressive (pointy) profile tyre as the turn in is not progressive, it's a flop. Obviously I have a far better rubber choice in a 180, and my preferred tyre isn't available in a 170 at all, but I do have little to no chicken strips, and I very much doubt you'll push your Magna to a level it'll make a difference.

tl;dr -
The important thing to take away is that it will fuck with the profile of your tyre and affect turn in.
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