BSA Goldstar

[om15]

This looks interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f52zuJSesiM&ab_channel=TheClassicMotorcycleChannel
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[stinkwheel]

Pretty much setting off where they finished in 1970.

That is one behemoth of a cylinder head!
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[to v or not to v]

45bhp doesnt sound overly exciting. looks nice though.
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[Lone-Wolf]

Wotcha.

Looks very B33 - ish

The killer will be the price. Will it be able to compete with Royal Enfield ?

EDIT

My B33 for comparison.

https://www.moonshiners.org.uk/LWMEimages/B33-2016-5.jpg
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[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[Easy-X]

Ah, so another classic British name bought by an Indian company. I'd imagine they'll price themselves between RE and Triumph.
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[om15]

Interview with the boss, his last words are "it will be sensibly priced"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDFZAp4bR_4&ab_channel=TheClassicMotorcycleChannel
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[Bloggsy]

Nice looking bike , but I prefer my MT-09
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[om15]

Big heavy bike for only 45 BHP, same as the Interceptor, I'm sure it will sell well if the price is right.
I did like my Interceptor but not enough to keep it, I will be interested to see the BSA in the flesh, but no plans to buy one, but I think that many will.

My first Hinkley Triumph (Trident 900) was really well made and a good value for money bike, I had a further 4 Triumphs over 20 years, the last one was the Street Twin which was an expensive disappointment, it will be interesting to see if Royal Enfield can keep the prices down and if the new BSA can produce a quality reliable low cost bike
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[Robby]

If they can keep the price at or under £6k, it will sell. Provides (very) classic styling for less than the interceptor. Performance is less, but who cares, performance on both of them is technically shit and not the selling point.

No good reason for the price to be high, there's nothing on the bike that look expensive, just needs enough volume produced.

[Bhud]

Looks the part

[Easy-X]

[stinkwheel]

Walk before you try to run. Make a solid, reliable bike that doesn't jump through hoops but will sell acceptably well. Once you've shown you can make a serviceable motorbike, then go for the spinning rims. It's what Triumph did right and Norton did wrong.
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[Ayrton]

It looks great but 45bhp is a bit naff. I'd love a retro styled bike that has somewhere near the power of modern machines, but it seems like most manufacturers only care about making them look old. To me it just makes no practical sense to buy something like this over something modern.

I did watch an interview where the owner said he wants to put factories in Britain and he seemed genuine about keeping the British heritage.

[Easy-X]

[om15]

I do like it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg3jBQuwes8&ab_channel=TheClassicMotorcycleChannel
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[Bhud]

I'm not an engineer, but I wonder if it's possible to get much more than about 50hp from a normally aspirated 4-stroke big single. It's an absolutely huge single. I'd be surprised if they could. This one's water-cooled, so they can get the clearances closer, and it's fuel injected, so they can get near-perfect fueling. All that's left after that is to make that piston jump up and down fast enough to make some hp, and that's limited by the fact that it's a single. The old Japanese twins with 360 crank had a shorter stroke to let them rev higher than British bikes. I haven't been able to find bore and stroke info for this new BSA, but I note that they say it's smooth through the rev range, so it's probably a bit closer to square than the long stroking originals.
However, unlike the old days, they would have had to find a way to abide by very strict emissions and noise regs (it's Euro 5). I note the size of that exhaust - very, very well done. They've managed to hide what I presume is a length of silencer going almost all the way through the headers. By contrast, HD's 2022 lineup has some awful-looking monster exhausts as standard, for compliance - shameful enough that it's hard to find promo pics of them.

Obviously doesn't look anywhere near as proportionate as the originals, but it's faithful enough, and nothing about it is disproportionate. It has nicer proportions than the Triumph modern retros (IMO), and its rear is nicer than the new Enfields. I doubt the riding experience would be as raw and snappy as vintage bikes - the old enduro bike with slide throttle feeling - but then that's probably a tall order for a new road bike anyway.

[jeffyjeff]

[jeffyjeff]

[Bhud]

Oh well. If it's made after 1990 it's like it doesn't exist, to me. Invisibility cloaking tech - top secret.

[stinkwheel]

[Ayrton]

[stinkwheel]

[Bhud]

Yes, it's pretty much what I would expect. It's not at all slow for a bike in its class.

At the end of the day, the single cylinder 4-stroke engine is a very old technology that's most likely undergone all of the improvements and refinements it will ever see. Water cooling - check. Overhead cam - check. Balancing/reciprocating mass - check. 4 valve head - check. There will be engineering-based reasons why other 650 singles of the past and present average out at about 50hp. It's clearly a set of design considerations that allow compromises to work. I ride a 44hp machine quite often (well, twice a week), and I wouldn't say it's slow. It's just not ideal for dual carriageways and motorways. But it does help that it's very light.

A Husky 701 is lot sharper and more specialised than this BSA. It's either a wheelie machine or an off-road bike for very keen off-road enthusiasts. It might also be good on the road, but with 72Nm of torque and 75hp, it's probably not ideal for the majority of riding conditions we get over here. You will get a lot more Moto Madness style crash videos featuring the 701 than the BSA. I'm a big fan of the Yamaha 660 single, and even that requires a lot more concentration and finesse in certain conditions (hairpin bend on a slippery mountain road comes to mind) than the 80s equivalents with half the power output.

[Easy-X]