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[chickenstrip]

Russia and Ukraine?



Third World War imminent? Or damp squib?
Bit of an embarrassment for the EU innit? Especially Germany.
Spells the end for NATO?
Whaddya think?
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[Bhud]

I may have said something. But I don't have any information.

[chickenstrip]

[Bhud]

Too depressing to think about, sorry.

[Easy-X]

I think Putin is smarter than Biden. Big shook!
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[colin1]

In case it wasnt bad enough, Chernobyl isnt far from the border. In theory neither side would intend to blow it up, but let's not forget that Putin gave separatists anti-aircraft missiles and they accidentally shot down an airline, so shit happens.

Mostly I think Putin is bluffing, but he might think that Ukraine would fold quickly if he really did go in.

I've got a bit of sympathy for Putin's position. America spent years trying to keep the commies out of South America, you can expect him to like his direct neighbour wanting to join Nato. That's no buffer at all.
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[Im-a-Ridah]

I'm impressed with how tactfully the media have avoided the awkward problem of the cause of this war. Sure, Putin is a nasty SOB and is invading his neighbour, but what made him push now? Crickets...

So why? A few potential causes:
1. The US leader looks weak. Putin feels strong and feels like he can contend for the Alpha male position
2. The West is scared of taking casulties
3. The US is more interested in China
4. A subsection of society is teaching people to hate our country which makes us look weak and pathetic in Russian cultures and...
5. Makes us look appear like a cancer to Russian proud patriotic culture
6. We cut defence spending year on year
7. What we do spend on defence is often very badly spent. Siginificant amounts of it has little real use in an actual war, and huge amounts of useful kit is scrapped or sold off for nothing. The MoD are also woefully unprepared for real wars.

On the plus side ordinary Brits have little to fear in a real war. Movies often depict mass bombings etc but in reality the Russians would focus their forces against decapitation of the ruling classes in much the same way as we do to them. FTSE CEOs, the cabinet office, the BBC and Sky, a few think tanks, various charities, Cressida Dick, and that kind of thing. I suspect it would mostly be KGB and spec ops with some cruise missiles against big organisations such as the BBC. That said, the Russians don't have the money or equipment for a real war with NATO, they're dirt poor, extremely corrupt and their military would be spread laughably thin so they would have to go asymmetric.

As for Alpha male position, you can be absolutely sure that this isn't an isolated conflict. You can bet this has been planned with President Xi, and they will force the US to fight on two fronts so Russia gets Ukraine and China gets Taiwan, and hence China takes over dominance of the Indo-Pacific.

[Im-a-Ridah]

[Diggs]

One thing is for sure judging by the fact that every Tory person interviewed brings it up to divert attention from Johnson's inability to tell the truth, the fat blonde scarecrow must be loving it in a similar manner to Thatcher during the Falklands. HMS Sheffield et al saved her political bacon. I wonder if Putin will do the same for Boris?
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[doggone]

Games are being played, if they wanted to invade they could have just driven in.
But no lets pretend to move troops to the border months beforehand to give the west jitters and wait until the US decides to spend a fortune deploying troops and equipment before doing anything.

[Im-a-Ridah]

[Ste]

[Fat Angry Scotsman]

I have no idea why anyone thinks a war between the USA and Russia or NATO vs CSTO would be anything other than a proxy war where NATO props up the Ukrainian Government with equipment, funds, etc and CSTO props up separatists. If anyone things either will go to a ground war against each other then they need to go out and touch grass.

A true war between NATO and CSTO would turn from conventional to nuclear extremely quickly. Which is the reason why it will never happen. Nobody wants to end the world when they can make money and live instead.
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[Polarbear]

[Nobby the Bastard]

[Polarbear]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Don't know if you are aware, going back on a treaty is a bit frowned on by the international community and results in a lack of trust in you.
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[YPVS]

I can't help hearing Benny Hill music in my head every time I read his posts.

Try it.

[stinkwheel]

Well, I understand we use about 5% Sovblok gas whereas other European countries are up as high as 25%.

For one thing the scramble to find other gas suppliers in those countries is going to get crazy and possibly nasty.

From a UK point of view, if prices continue the way they are, I could see some North sea installations that were wound up as not economically viable being de-mothballed.
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

I can see this reinforcing the EU Trading Bloc’s ( ) desire to have an army. Thankfully I think they might be too useless to arrange one.

[Polarbear]

[Nobby the Bastard]

[Im-a-Ridah]

On the plus side we might get to see some SU-34's in action

https://www.military-today.com/aircraft/su34_fullback.jpg

[stinkwheel]