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| M.C wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | You could be considered to be trying to indoctrinate me here. |
Indoctrination is typically one way, if I was I wouldn't be asking you questions*, I'd be asking you to uncritically listen. |
One way from one side, and the other way from the other side. And that bit about asking questions is just simply rubbish.
| Quote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | - it's not so much about what is right, since in politics there is much disagreement on that. |
I'm pretty sure the opposing sides believe they're correct. Politics used to be about compromise and common ground. |
No, more rubbish I'm afraid. Politics has always been about trying to convince others of your views. Political parties spend thousands (millions in the US) canvassing and campaigning to do so. Compromise is not reached when you have one party in office, only when a stalemate would be the result otherwise.
| Quote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | It's natural that people would want to convince others of their own position, as in the end, it can decide what kind of country we live in. That's pretty important to most people i'd guess. |
That's exactly what we're seeing now? People pushing their politics in the media, education, entertainment. I don't think that sort of zealotry is natural personally. |
It's what we've always seen. It's not natural to people who are generally not particularly politically driven, but it is being forced on us all more and more, and in areas where we wouldn't normally think politically.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | M.C wrote: |
Indoctrination is typically one way, if I was I wouldn't be asking you questions*, I'd be asking you to uncritically listen. |
One way from one side, and the other way from the other side. |
One way as in the person being indoctrinated.
| chickenstrip wrote: | And that bit about asking questions is just simply rubbish. |
Is it? Why do shitlibs tell you to read x when you ask them a question (or that you shouldn't be asking the question), and repeat things like diversity is our strength.
| chickenstrip wrote: | No, more rubbish I'm afraid. Politics has always been about trying to convince others of your views. Political parties spend thousands (millions in the US) canvassing and campaigning to do so. |
Political parties want to appeal to voters and even change policy to do so  They also try, or at least pretend to try and represent the interests of particular groups.
When you ignore them or even worse, scream at people telling them what to believe it typically goes very wrong (Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party for example).
| chickenstrip wrote: | | M.C wrote: |
That's exactly what we're seeing now? People pushing their politics in the media, education, entertainment. I don't think that sort of zealotry is natural personally. |
It's what we've always seen. It's not natural to people who are generally not particularly politically driven, but it is being forced on us all more and more, and in areas where we wouldn't normally think politically. |
I don't agree. Entertainment was typically just that, same with sport, the news was mainly stuff like wars, earthquakes, and education at least at school level was fairly matter of fact.
I mean even 10 years ago feels like a completely different time period. |
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| Posted: 01:10 - 16 Sep 2022 Post subject: |
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| chickenstrip wrote: | And that bit about asking questions is just simply rubbish. |
Is it? Why do shitlibs tell you to read x when you ask them a question (or that you shouldn't be asking the question), and repeat things like diversity is our strength. |
There are many methods used in indoctrination. The obvious way is the way you describe, ramming the message home loudly. But there are more subtle ways too. Imagery is a useful method. And careful framing of questions can lead people to think of things in a different way, can be used to lead down certain paths of thought. Beware the questioner!
| Quote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | No, more rubbish I'm afraid. Politics has always been about trying to convince others of your views. Political parties spend thousands (millions in the US) canvassing and campaigning to do so. |
Political parties want to appeal to voters and even change policy to do so They also try, or at least pretend to try and represent the interests of particular groups. |
What we have seen lately is a very shallow method of putting appealing policies in a manifesto then either ignoring them once in office or having additional policies they didn't mention that may actually have more impact. But the political stage has seen some shifts in recent years, The conservative parliamentary party has been infiltrated by people and views that are decidedly non-conservative. Things are in a state of flux. But not so very long ago, most people had a rough idea of what each of the main parties major principles were. That is no longer the case, it's true. The Labour party has been similarly undermined - party of the working classes? I think not, not anymore. Maybe it's down to globalist influences, this corruption we are seeing. I think most people don't like it and want to get back to what they at least recognise. But no, it certainly isn't about "compromise and common ground", never was.
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It's what we've always seen. It's not natural to people who are generally not particularly politically driven, but it is being forced on us all more and more, and in areas where we wouldn't normally think politically. |
I don't agree. Entertainment was typically just that, same with sport, the news was mainly stuff like wars, earthquakes, and education at least at school level was fairly matter of fact.
I mean even 10 years ago feels like a completely different time period. |
I think what you're missing is that we in the West had our own indoctrination, which is now under attack. We have had cultural, political and other forms, which we have largely accepted, and become comfortable with over a long period, where change was generally slow, gentle.
But I agree it is more blatant now, heading in a (not so) new and dangerous direction, and has infected more areas. What surprises me is, given the speed with which it has happened, how many people are asleep to it, still blindly accepting what they are fed. That's concerning.
Actually, I think an obsession with the word "indoctrination" might be a limiting factor on the conversation.
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Good grief, has anyone seen the size of Biden's security convoy for the Queen's funeral?! I wouldn't mind so much if there was anything in it worth protecting 
Frankly, I think it's just downright rude.
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| Polarbear wrote: | People like me who are of the "Ask not what your country can do for you..." era are now history. It's completely different nawadays. I hate it. I hate reading people slagging the Queen off when shes only been in her grave a couple of days. I hate reading that we are a country that needs to stick their tongue up someones (black) arse to keep everyone happy. |
Indeed, hating your country has become so mainstream there’s a market in it -
| Quote: | By virtue of it being an English language publication, (there is) a big target market for the New York Times in Britain.
Doesn’t that mean the NYT should strive to be at least moderately respectful to Britain, if it wants subscribers here?
No, quite the opposite. This is the internet. The niche, paying market the NYT wants in Britain is Britons who can’t stand Britain. There is quite a bit of revenue to be made here.
The NYT approach is ruthless and commercially clever. The publisher’s “dystopian UK is doomed” attack pieces appear to be pushed and marketed to go viral, to attract attention and amuse and impress those bitter souls here who get a thrill from seeing other people in this country on social media express annoyance or bewilderment at the horrible articles.
The rudeness and lack of manners is a deliberate marketing ploy. |
https://reaction.life/why-the-worlds-worst-newspaper-hates-britain-so-much-nyt-new-york-times/
I was struck by the barely concealed glee of some news reporters when the new Royal Navy aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales broke down recently, like it was a welcome confirmation that Britain is rubbish. Teething troubles, that’s all.
| Polarbear wrote: | I presume most younger people are happy with the way things are going, and for that reason, the country will be what it will be. |
They probably are but there’s only so long before they have to take responsibility for it. For example, it’s unsustainable to be a trendy eco-loon while still abandoning litter and camping equipment at a festival because someone else is there to clear it up. |
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You first, USA (United States - what a hoot!)
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| Nobby the Bastard wrote: | The states do have a history of attempts (a couple successful) of assasinating their presidents. Thats why the big retinue because there are dummy cars, amubulances, cars full of men with guns etc.
It's a bit of a reflection on the states more than anything else. |
It's also a reflection on their lack of trust in the host nation. So fuck them.
And perhaps if they're so paranoid, they should do something to address the reasons they have to be that way.
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| Nobby the Bastard wrote: | They use the same set up in the states. |
Do what they like in their own country.
| Quote: | As to paranoid, like I say they have history. |
And like I say, perhaps they should do something about it. Their problem, not ours. For a start, we don't have the prevalence of guns here that they have.
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| Ribenapigeon wrote: | Is it ok to troll a pro queenie thread with a gag about her Maj' in a local community forum? |
Thankfully, BCF is still more or less a place of free speech, so fire away.
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Thankfully, BCF is still more or less a place of free speech, so fire away. |
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We're Brits. We always talk about the weather mate.
I did say "more or less"
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