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Val
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 29 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:


Covid 19 blah blah wolrd blah blah

Could you explain how any of that was caused by Brexit?


Nothing is caused by Brexit. Any Brexit problem has two pages explanation that shows there are other reasons for it Laughing Laughing Laughing

Here an article from BBC Brexit: Jaguar Land Rover extends shutdown over no-deal fears (before Covid 19)

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46993480
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The company, which is cutting jobs because of a steep fall in sales, has previously warned about the impact of Brexit on its ability to source just-in-time components from mainland Europe.

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PostPosted: 11:40 - 29 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Val wrote:

Here an article from BBC Brexit: Jaguar Land Rover extends shutdown over no-deal fears (before Covid 19)

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46993480
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The company, which is cutting jobs because of a steep fall in sales, has previously warned about the impact of Brexit on its ability to source just-in-time components from mainland Europe.


So news so old, it's not even in our frame of reference any more.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 29 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Val wrote:
Ste wrote:


Covid 19 blah blah wolrd blah blah

Could you explain how any of that was caused by Brexit?


Nothing is caused by Brexit. Any Brexit problem has two pages explanation that shows there are other reasons for it Laughing Laughing Laughing

Here an article from BBC Brexit: Jaguar Land Rover extends shutdown over no-deal fears (before Covid 19)

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46993480
Quote:

The company, which is cutting jobs because of a steep fall in sales, has previously warned about the impact of Brexit on its ability to source just-in-time components from mainland Europe.


JIT was just a way for failing firms to squeeze the juice out of the lemon with a hammer, now all these firms that relied on having things roll up on the day rather than having a good selection of stock on site are getting a fucking from China's permanent model of lockdown and nothing getting made
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 29 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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2022: Brexit costs the UK £750m. a week (Economist)

Excellent, lets have a look at the article you're talking about.

Oh dear, I can't find anything saying that on The Economist website. Sad

Can you?

You won't find it because it's not a quote from The Economist. It's a quote from an economist, some guy called John Springford who works at the Centre for European Reform.

Here's that report. https://www.cer.eu/insights/cost-brexit-june-2022

The jist of the report is add up lots of numbers to do with things that have happened since 2016 and blame all of them on Brexit with the presumption that everything would be totally fine had we stayed in the EU.

Now I understand why The Economist haven't got any articles about the report. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 29 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://www.cer.eu/corporate-members#tabs

Funny who funds the CER, probably all the turds in the world
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 29 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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As an EU devotee Val is probably wondering why we didn’t just bribe someone.


This reminds me that the EU’s latest troubles (bribery and corruption) didn’t get a mention on this forum, presumably because the EU is an irrelevance. In contrast we have Val’s on-going and failing attempts at Brexit Schadenfreude. Let it go. The sky didn’t fall.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 29 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well I'm going to mention they have annoyed ExxonMobil. This could be interesting Laughing

Energy giant ExxonMobil sues EU to block energy windfall tax

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64113398

But really Val, what's the point of going on and on about it. Nothings going to change. We aren't going to join up again. You don't live in UK so it doesn't affect you. Just let it drop and fcuk of to Mumsnet and bleat about the price of your tampax being in someway related to Brexit. I'm sure they will love you there.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 29 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Val wrote:
Ste wrote:


Covid 19 blah blah wolrd blah blah

Could you explain how any of that was caused by Brexit?


Nothing is caused by Brexit. Any Brexit problem has two pages explanation that shows there are other reasons for it Laughing Laughing Laughing

Here an article from BBC Brexit: Jaguar Land Rover extends shutdown over no-deal fears (before Covid 19)

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46993480
Quote:

The company, which is cutting jobs because of a steep fall in sales, has previously warned about the impact of Brexit on its ability to source just-in-time components from mainland Europe.

Warned being the operative word Wink Who the media blames depends entirely on what the spinner lands on...

https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/thumbs/t_sjw_blame_wheel.png

It's still up in the air because Jaguar aren't doing well, but Jaguar seem to be pressing ahead with EV car production...
The British marque said on Wednesday (UK time) it will retrain 10,000 of its UK staff over the next three years.

Like Nissan...
The two electrified models are part of a previously announced £500m investment by Nissan into the [Sunderland] plant to build the current generations of Qashqai and Juke.

Honda actually pulled the plug after the EU signed a free trade agreement with Japan Clapping
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Ste
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 29 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Val wrote:
Here an article from BBC Brexit: Jaguar Land Rover extends shutdown over no-deal fears (before Covid 19)

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46993480
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The company, which is cutting jobs because of a steep fall in sales, has previously warned about the impact of Brexit on its ability to source just-in-time components from mainland Europe.

So which just-in-time components were they having trouble sourcing?
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 29 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Computer chips same as everywhere else and that was due to China shutting up shop for two years
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 17 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
UK lost 460,000 EU workers since Brexit, while gaining 130,000 non-EU workers - a net fall of 330,000 workers.

Brexit has not brought prosperity to the UK.

Low wages and a toxic xenophobia promoted by the govt won't help recruit migrant workers.

https://archive.ph/K084d
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 17 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not quite sure how many ways I can say the same thing but.... Fuck off, Val.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 17 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Val wrote:

https://archive.ph/K084d

"502 Bad Gateway"

I think this is the article you're trying to post a link to: https://www.ft.com/content/11414939-5fb6-48bd-8b84-baa0819fe821

I think this is where you copy and pasted your post from: https://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1615275778693894144?cxt=HHwWgMC8teewzuosAAAA
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 17 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Val wrote:
UK lost 460,000 EU workers since Brexit, while gaining 130,000 non-EU workers - a net fall of 330,000 workers.

Brexit has not brought prosperity to the UK.

Low wages and a toxic xenophobia promoted by the govt won't help recruit migrant workers.

https://archive.ph/K084d


1,250,000 unemployed in the UK. Why do we need migrant workers?
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That chart looks rather fudged. The same source is used here -
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/dont-blame-brexit-for-our-lack-of-workers/
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Val
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 17 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
Val wrote:
UK lost 460,000 EU workers since Brexit, while gaining 130,000 non-EU workers - a net fall of 330,000 workers.

Brexit has not brought prosperity to the UK.

Low wages and a toxic xenophobia promoted by the govt won't help recruit migrant workers.

https://archive.ph/K084d


1,250,000 unemployed in the UK. Why do we need migrant workers?


Because these 1,250,000 actually do not want to work and there are 1 161 000 vacancies empty places waiting for workers according to ONS?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment/datasets/vacanciesbyindustryvacs02
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 17 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Val wrote:
1,250,000 actually do not want to work,


So your answer would be to let them freeload off the taxpayer and bring in foreign workers to fill the gap?
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 17 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Val wrote:
1,250,000 actually do not want to work,


So your answer would be to let them freeload off the taxpayer and bring in foreign workers to fill the gap?

0.9% of unemployed people had been unemployed for more than 12 months in 2020 [1.2% for 2021].
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0.9% of unemployed people had been unemployed for more than 12 months in 2020 [1.2% for 2021].

Yeah but I was addressing the point Val was making.
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 18 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
M.C wrote:
0.9% of unemployed people had been unemployed for more than 12 months in 2020 [1.2% for 2021].

Yeah but I was addressing the point Val was making.

A completely invalid point based on a fallacy Wink
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 18 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Val wrote:
UK lost 460,000 EU workers since Brexit, while gaining 130,000 non-EU workers - a net fall of 330,000 workers.

Brexit has not brought prosperity to the UK.

Low wages and a toxic xenophobia promoted by the govt won't help recruit migrant workers.

https://archive.ph/K084d


estimates from the Office of National Statistics suggest that total net migration was 504,000 in the year ending June 2022. This was substantially above pre-pandemic estimates of between 300,000 and 400,000 (depending on which measure is used) (Figure 1).20 Dec 2022

Now let the Racism flow, we getting the wrong kind of Net migration now?
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Rob Fzs wrote:
estimates from the Office of National Statistics suggest that total net migration was 504,000 in the year ending June 2022. This was substantially above pre-pandemic estimates of between 300,000 and 400,000 (depending on which measure is used) (Figure 1).20 Dec 2022

The increase was largely driven by the open invitation to Hong Kong'ers and Ukrainian refugees, which wouldn't be an issue had we not spent the last quarter century with net migration in the hundreds of thousands.

Rob Fzs wrote:
Now let the Racism flow, we getting the wrong kind of Net migration now?

Val thinks so Laughing
Val wrote:
With Brexit they have kicked out several hundreds thousands high tax paying tex net contributing EU migrants like me and got 500 000 tax net debtors Laughing

The facts are EEA migrants have had positive tax contribution and the non-EEA migrants are tax net debtors
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M.C wrote:
Rob Fzs wrote:
estimates from the Office of National Statistics suggest that total net migration was 504,000 in the year ending June 2022. This was substantially above pre-pandemic estimates of between 300,000 and 400,000 (depending on which measure is used) (Figure 1).20 Dec 2022

The increase was largely driven by the open invitation to Hong Kong'ers and Ukrainian refugees, which wouldn't be an issue had we not spent the last quarter century with net migration in the hundreds of thousands.

Rob Fzs wrote:
Now let the Racism flow, we getting the wrong kind of Net migration now?

Val thinks so Laughing
Val wrote:
With Brexit they have kicked out several hundreds thousands high tax paying tex net contributing EU migrants like me and got 500 000 tax net debtors Laughing

The facts are EEA migrants have had positive tax contribution and the non-EEA migrants are tax net debtors


European god complex

This idea of a Net tax contribution is bollocks, This flaw is why we have shortages in every kind of useful trade going, expecting every other country to train people and then we borrow them for abit for their best years, it's immoral at best , JUST IN TIME people, as it were
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Rob Fzs wrote:
European god complex

This idea of a Net tax contribution is bollocks, This flaw is why we have shortages in every kind of useful trade going, expecting every other country to train people and then we borrow them for abit for their best years, it's immoral at best , JUST IN TIME people, as it were

Generally people don't care about how well the economy is doing, they care about their quality of life. When you can't afford somewhere to rent, or find a school place, or as a normie said to me recently the local A&E is full of Eastern Europeans (funny that as Val once told me they're all young so don't use the NHS) people don't see any of this supposed benefit.
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0.9% of unemployed people had been unemployed for more than 12 months in 2020 [1.2% for 2021].

Meanwhile, rather than being counted as unemployed, more and more people are seen as economically inactive.

"The number of working-age adults who are out of the labour market (known as "economically inactive") because of long-term sickness has been rising since 2019, from around 2.0 million people in spring 2019, to about 2.5 million in summer 2022.

This rise in long-term sickness started before the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, but since the pandemic hit the UK in early 2020, the number of people out of work because of long-term sickness has risen by 363,000.

A range of factors could be influencing this recent increase. We introduce some of these in this article, but more understanding is needed about the impacts of National Health Service (NHS) waiting times, long COVID, and the ageing workforce. Younger people have also seen some of the largest relative increases, and some industries such as wholesale and retail are affected to a greater extent than others."

Office for National Statistics sauce: https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/economicinactivity/articles/halfamillionmorepeopleareoutofthelabourforcebecauseoflongtermsickness/2022-11-10
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