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Bomberman
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Too much oil? Reply with quote

Now, this is probably a stupid question, but iits intrigued me for some time. Setting off to uni. today (for an exam) I noticed to my horror that there appeared to be NO transmission oil in my bike. Also a drop of oil on the floor. Panic! I guessed something went wrong on the 70 mile thrashing I gave it yesterday. I had no time to work out what was going on or find alternative transport so I put a bit more oil in (100ml tops). Go to exam, return to bike. Not much oil and another drop on the floor Sad Get it home. Check the sightglass and not only is there plenty of oil, theres actually waaaay too much! The sightglass is filled when the bike is level!
So, two questions I suppose. Firstly, any idea what could cause this radical fluctuation, and two (the stupid one) what does too much transmission fluid do to an engine? (its a 2 banger if that makes any odds).
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

im sure im wrong, but arnt you meant to check the fluids when the bikes cooling/cooled down and when its level (ie not on side stand etc)
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat172 wrote:
im sure im wrong, but arnt you meant to check the fluids when the bikes cooling/cooled down and when its level (ie not on side stand etc)

Depends on who you believe. My manual says after one minutes running, but frankly if I do that my bike appears to never have oil despite having been just filled with the correct amount Rolling Eyes
When I checked it this morning it was after a nights rest and I pulled it level to check. Should have given me a reliable reading given that it had the night to settle really?
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah ive always been told ot check the fluids after a 10-15mins rest on a level surface
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, just checked and its still waaay too much Very Happy Rather worryingly, I tracked the drip to the back of where the gear lever meets the left side engine cover Confused Hard to tell exactly. Anyone have any ideas what could have gone? And how? Could just be road crap and chain loob, but I doubt it Thumbs Down I'll investigate further in a little while I think.
Anyway, still no answer to what too much oil will do?
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean the oil is dripping from where the gear shift spindle exits the crankcase? there is a small seal there which will be the culprit, I changed mine on the NSR with it all in situ.

As for overfilling the oil, if it were a 4 stroke then it might have ended up with a blown seal due to it being pressurised. But in a 2 stroke it is not. Unsure as to what damage it could do really, but I doubt anything will happen.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr jamez wrote:
You mean the oil is dripping from where the gear shift spindle exits the crankcase? there is a small seal there which will be the culprit, I changed mine on the NSR with it all in situ.

I think it is yeah. That would be nice, and make a change for it to be an easy fix Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you over fill the gearbox any surplus will find it's way out of the breather hole - don't know where that is on yours, on Suzukis it used to be under the oil pump cover.

It won't do any harm (if the breather isn't blocked) just make a mess.

As for the leak, whip the sprocket cover off and have a good clean-up and then keep an eye on it. Could be the shaft seal as said or it might just be chain lube fling.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you've got crankcase pressure, and it's blowing out of the gear shaft oil seal.

A friend of mine overfilled his bike with oil, and did this.

I may be wrong, and pessimistic, and a git and blah blah.....
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, putting mind at rest time.

The drip of oil you mentioned is most likely just a drip of chain oil - it all gets flung up around the front sprocket, then when the engine is hot it melts a bit and drips down. So I wouldn't worry there.

The transmission oil level fluctuating is probably because you just don't have it perfectly level every time. A very slight deviation from vertical can make a huge different in the sight glass. For real peace of mind drain the oil, then refill with the correct measured amount in a jug.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found too little or no oil is very loud and is more difficult to change gear myself.

I always have to use a torch and fiddle around before i can see anything in the sight glass.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

simon1221 wrote:
I found too little or no oil is very loud and is more difficult to change gear myself.


Errrr, yes Neutral
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
If you over fill the gearbox any surplus will find it's way out of the breather hole


It will spill out, but in no way is it some kind of overflow. If you have excess oil coming out from the breather, the engine is having a really hard time.


Too much oil is bad. You can blow the crank seals on a two-stroke and all sorts of problems on a four-stroke. On a car you can screw the catalyst too.
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 11 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

BFG wrote:
Guest wrote:
If you over fill the gearbox any surplus will find it's way out of the breather hole


It will spill out, but in no way is it some kind of overflow. If you have excess oil coming out from the breather, the engine is having a really hard time.


Too much oil is bad. You can blow the crank seals on a two-stroke and all sorts of problems on a four-stroke. On a car you can screw the catalyst too.



I agree it's not designed as an overflow, but it could act as one due to over-filling.

On a two-stroke (which we're talking about here) the gear box is separate from the crankcases, so if you over-fill the box and the breather is working properly as I said it's not going to have any adverse effect on the crankcase, and you won't harm the box either - the breather will allow any excess pressure to escape. Some oil may also escape if it's been seriously over-filled.

Problems with the crank seals are usually caused by them drying out through non-use or failing due to main bearing wear, but any reason will manifest itself in two ways - the crank 'sucks' the gearbox oil through the seal and burns it running the box low on oil and causing gear failure, or the crankcase compression pressurises the gearbox to a much higher level than it would normally achieve itself and forces the oil out the breather hole. this is usually easy to spot as you get serious oil leakage around the breather.

Of course, it's so much easier to put the correct quantity in in the first place and check the level regularly as stated in the handbook

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