Tax & Insure *all* vehicles?

[Easy-X]

Here we go again:

Linda Davis: Electric scooter rider, 14, admits causing woman's death

I would suggest that all vehicles on the road capable of mowing someone down need to be taxed and insured. I'd go as far as including push-bikes. The tax might be set at zero but it would be a way to fit with the existing structure. Unfortunately impossible to implement due to the ineptitude of the DVLA.

I'd also mandate daylight running lights for all vehicles, not a big ask for push-bikes with the ubiquity of Lithium-Ion battery packs, as it would ameliorate the issue of riders with no lights at night. Not all electric scooters have lights (or at least the drug-deliveroo mob turn them off when doing their rounds.)

Again, impossible to implement as we no longer have a police force capable of enforcing traffic regulations. Maybe we could replace fat coppers with drones?
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[Nobby the Bastard]

So you are suggesting my 6 year old buys insurance?
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[Freddyfruitba...]

[Nobby the Bastard]

So when little Jonny who's 11 goes out on his bike without insurance because his parents can't afford it who gets nicked?

At the end of the day people have been cycling for well over a hundred years without any government finding there is a public need to insure them.
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Triumph Sprint ST 1050

[Ste]

[Ayrton]

How would tax stop people from being killed? It's already illegal to ride them without insurance, but they are still everywhere.

I do think anything on the road should be insured and have a number plate.

[Nobby the Bastard]

How many are killed a year by cyclists?

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/pedestrians-killed-dangerous-cyclists-road-deaths-3812845

Obviously this doesn't look at who was at fault.

How many cyclists in the UK?

https://discerningcyclist.com/how-many-bicycles-are-there-in-the-uk-stats/

How many cyclists killed in the UK?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-pedal-cyclist-factsheet-2021/reported-road-casualties-in-great-britain-pedal-cycle-factsheet-2021

Clearly cyclists are more likely to be killed than kill.
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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha:"Remember this simple rule - scooters are for men who like to feel the breeze on their huge, flapping cunt lips."
Triumph Sprint ST 1050

[Freddyfruitba...]

[Nobby the Bastard]

And there's the operative term 'motor'. If it is powered purely by the rider it doesn't need to be insured and its ridiculous to expect it to be.
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Triumph Sprint ST 1050

[stinkwheel]

New laws are not required. Enforcement of the existing laws is what's needed.
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[Easy-X]

[Nobby the Bastard]

You do realise that it's not just the speed, it's the massive difference in mass of a motorvehicle compared to a person that contributes to the blunt force trauma.

Just how many people do you actually know that could realistically manage 20 mph for any distance without a hill being involved? Try and keep up with one of those electrically assisted things that are restricted to 17 mph....
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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha:"Remember this simple rule - scooters are for men who like to feel the breeze on their huge, flapping cunt lips."
Triumph Sprint ST 1050

[stinkwheel]

[dave001]

[Easy-X]

[stinkwheel]

[Ste]

[A100man]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Speeling ecspurt
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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha:"Remember this simple rule - scooters are for men who like to feel the breeze on their huge, flapping cunt lips."
Triumph Sprint ST 1050

[Easy-X]

All I'm hearing is "We might only have a tiny problem now and we know it'll only get worse but cba to do anything about it."
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Tiny problem but it will get worse when people have been cycling for at least a century without any identifiable problem found?
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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha:"Remember this simple rule - scooters are for men who like to feel the breeze on their huge, flapping cunt lips."
Triumph Sprint ST 1050

[redeem ouzzer]

[grr666]

[Robby]

He displays non-Newtonian thickness. The harder he tries to stir, the thicker he gets. The sort of chap that isn't allowed to have a bath in case he drowns.

As for the original topic, this comes round every couple of years and Stinkwheel has the right answer. Enforce the laws we have.

Electric scooters are a bit of an odd one, in that the laws are particularly shit. Either ban them or allow them, but this current halfway house of them only being legal if rented from a small handful of gig-economy companies feels wrong to me.

[Fat Angry Scotsman]