Triumph Factory Experience.

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

This would have gone in the ‘Where have you been…” thread but I didn’t take the bike.

I was given a gift voucher for the Triumph Factory Experience over a year ago but they postponed it saying they were refurbishing the visitor centre, so me and my sister’s partner Dave re-booked and went today. It was excellent. Easy to get to as long as you can ignore the terrible drivers on the M1. Cool and interesting guided tour of the factory (not working today, mind) followed by a look round the collection. It also has an excellent cafe and a small shop where Dave (a non-biker) bought a branded t-shirt and I bought a neck tube. Apparently Triumph are bringing out some small-capacity bikes in the next week or so.

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The T595 looked very classy up close.
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Supercharged, drop-handle-barred Brooklands record holder.
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No information on this but it looked amazing.
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When the question was asked, “What would you get?”, the Triumph Speed Twin 1200 (below) got my vote. Dave would have gone for the even more old-skool Bonneville T120.
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Gotta take a souvenir away and I like neck tubes so… reduced to £7.50
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[Easy-X]

Very interesting.

The typical "praying mantis" dual headlights make a lot more sense on a faired bike.

That twin with the exhausts out the back and carbs on the front makes no sense at all!
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[Nobby the Bastard]

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[Nobby the Bastard]

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

I had doubts it was a runner but according to this it’s “fully-functioning.”

https://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/tfc/story

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[Nobby the Bastard]

Low pressure means air moves faster and it pulls air into that area. More air flow = more cooling.

Most air cooled 4 wheeled vehicles have their engine at the back of the vehicle and they don't suffer excessive heat issues.
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Triumph Sprint ST 1050

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The air has to travel over the top of the wing faster than under the wing hence creating a low pressure zone and drawing the wing upwards Okay... and that pertains to convectional cooling how?

What I'm saying is this: if you want to cool something you'd want to throw the coldest, densest air at it ASAP. A cylinder barrel gets hot all over but the tendency is for the exhaust side to get hotter than the intake side - exhaust gasses are hot ofc but also the intake side has cooling other than convectional air heat transfer i.e. vaporised fuel. Worth also bearing in mind that metal isn't some magical thing with instantaneous conduction properties. Given the choice you'd rather have it hot all over than have a massive temperature differential to avoid warping and cracking. I don't know whether that's much of a thing in motorbike engines but it certainly is with cars.

With regards to VW vans does it matter if an engine is at the front or the back of a car? Not really as you can duct cold air where you need. For water cooled engines you would however place the radiator in front of the engine so it gets first dibs on the cold air.
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[Polarbear]

Anyway, it looks a great day out.
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[stinkwheel]

The exhaust gasses on that thing don't have to do a 180 degree bend in a metal pipe before exiting the motorcycle. I suspect a huge amount of the heat you'd normally get goes directly out of the back.
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So how many production bikes are available at the moment with this fantastic arrangement?
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[Nobby the Bastard]

It's only practicable if you don't have an airbox so none.

There are a few that have ram air by using ducting from the front of the fairing to the airbox, though.

Unless you discount most V engines in bikes anyway. They have 1 (or more) cylinder(s) with intake at the front and exhaust on the back.

Most of the homebrew ones were 2T anyway, no valve timing to faff about changing or wrong size valves to deal with.
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Triumph Sprint ST 1050

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[Nobby the Bastard]

Defeats the point of having the induction at the front by locating the airbox anywhere else and there isn't room for an airbox on the front there.
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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha:"Remember this simple rule - scooters are for men who like to feel the breeze on their huge, flapping cunt lips."
Triumph Sprint ST 1050

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[Nobby the Bastard]

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I think it'd be fair to say that with a water-cooled bike you can pipe what you want where you want within the limitations of packaging. But getting back to air-cooled engines...
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[stinkwheel]

I suspect people are also missing the point of a concept bike.

I have a mate who made a race bike with an old bonneville canted forwards 90 degrees. There didn't seem to be a very good reason for doing it other than because he could (I suppose you could go on about lowering the centre of gravity but it was a lot of ballache for not a lot of advantage). Same goes for most of the bikes that Allan Millyard makes.
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[Islander]

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