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PostPosted: 07:48 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: YBR125 Flashing engine light but not an error code, no start Reply with quote

Ello. A while back you guys were helping me with my YBR125 charging issues that turned out to be a burned out stator coil.

Thread here:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=335579

I changed the stator out. This fixed the charging issue - now get 14v with 5k revs which I believe is about right. Over 13v at idle.

Previous to all this, the bike had always started on the button no problem. After doing the stator change, it has had starting issues, cranking over (fine) lots before starting. Interestingly, kicking it with the kickstarter had much more success.

Last night, after doing some running about with several starts, I went to start it again and it didn't want to fire.

Pump audibly primes. Engine light comes on for 3 secs as expected while pump primes. When going for ignition you can hear pump working. It might have got louder recently but it might just be my imagination.

But now, when it doesn't want to start, the engine light is flashing while the button is held down. It doesn't flash a sequence to indicate a code. Only flashes while starter motor is spinning.

Haynes manual says it does this to "indicate a bad problem that stops the engine running" or somesuch.

But the thing will run happily, it doesn't always do this. It's intermittent. So I don't think my electronics are fried or anything. But it only has just started doing the flashy light thing after a week or so of poor starting, but running.

When I put the stator on I had trouble with the connector that goes up to the neutral switch. Couldn't get it to fit well at the wiring loom connection, that cylindrical type connector plug. I've basically mangled that on, but I think it has a connection OK.

Other known issues the bike has:

It's blowing headlight bulbs. I've done two since the stator trouble started. That might just be because I've been stupid and handled them with bare skin. I have to buy another to test again. But bike has a new regulator (put it on before I diagnosed the stator burn out), the voltage to the battery when running is OK, so I don't think it's that.

The ignition barrel connection is a bit poor. I have to fiddle with the key a little to make a connection so bike lights up. This is never a problem, just a thing.

Any thoughts gents? I know that's not much to go on. On the one hand, I'm hoping it's a bad connection thing or something. On the other hand, I don't know how I'm going to find it. I'm rubbish at electrics.
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad earth.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

whyber wrote:

The ignition barrel connection is a bit poor. I have to fiddle with the key a little to make a connection so bike lights up. This is never a problem, just a thing.

It's a super common problem for the ignition barrel to wear out or get corroded on the YBR. Mine did it and acted similar to yours, it would turn over but not start and it would always be intermittent. I would get an error code though.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I probably should have said in all this that the bike is an '09 with 24k on it.

I've got my Haynes and am looking over the wiring diagram at the grounds.

I'll check the neutral switch ground because that seem to be linked to the alternator that I;ve changed and crank shaft position sensor, which would be bad if that wunt right, obviously.

I don't think I need worry about other starter safety circuit grounds because the bike is cranking - if they weren't working properly, I'd have no starter motor action, right?

So ECU ground, ignition coil ground, reg/rec ground, fuel pump and sensor.

After that it's continuity tests and voltage checks on everything. Sounds like a right ball ache.

I'd better check the plugs and change that air filter that I've had for ages first Very Happy . Though I'd be getting an error code on intake air pressure if it was that, right?

I wonder how long it would take to just swap out the whole loom on this bike....
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

whyber wrote:
I don't think I need worry about other starter safety circuit grounds because the bike is cranking - if they weren't working properly, I'd have no starter motor action, right?


Not necessarily. I'd need to eyeball the wiring diagram for this particular bike but safety cut-outs can include spark plugs / coils and cutting the fuel injector power. If you only killed the starter motor what's to stop you kicking it over or push starting it?
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point.

Here's wiring diagram if it helps anyone:
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

It occurs to me that I could have installed the CKP sensor that sits next to the stator a bit wonky or something (don;t see how but I spose I better check it), or maybe the connection wiring isn't good. Not enough to trip an error code but enough to make things a bit crap.

But I'd imagine if that sensor wasn't working properly the bike would run badly all over, not just have starting issues.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

remove starter and service it
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

The clutch and side stand switches feed into the ECU. Most likely that means safety = fuel injector cut if that's any help.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
remove starter and service it


Starter motor is performing fine. Everything cranks over well. Just not firing.

Easy-X wrote:
The clutch and side stand switches feed into the ECU. Most likely that means safety = fuel injector cut if that's any help.


Cheers. I've had switches like those go before on other bikes and it normally means a solenoid clicky thing. Whereas this is turning over OK. I think I would get error code flashing on dash as well (which is not the flashing I'm getting).

But this is the only FI bike I've ever owned, so I'm open to all suggestions Smile .
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 19 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

whyber wrote:
It occurs to me that I could have installed the CKP sensor that sits next to the stator a bit wonky or something (don;t see how but I spose I better check it), or maybe the connection wiring isn't good. ....

A CKP sensor misaligned, poorly connected, or imperfect in any way will cause nearly every modern motor under the sun to struggle and many fail to start.
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