Another monstrosity of an electric bike... Thanks Erik

[xX-Alex-Xx]

https://www.engadget.com/the-9995-fuell-fllow-electric-motorcycle-is-available-for-pre-order-today-220016821.html

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Yeah it's cheap, but there's limits
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[Ayrton]

[Easy-X]

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[stinkwheel]

Yet another electric bike with no fairing. The rider is the largest aerodynamic barrier to efficient running. Speed squared law means the faster the bike the bigger a problem it is. The solution is to direct the airflow around the rider with a fairing.

Almost none of the electric bikes seem to have a fairing.
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[Ayrton]

[stinkwheel]

[Polarbear]

It's not really by Buell is it? A Fuell by Buell.

How have the mighty fallen.
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[Polarbear]

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

Another city bike, another one with pretendy proper motorcycle looks- faux radiator panel, faux underslung exhaust. I guess a faux tank is still handy to brace against, but shouldn’t electrification offer new aesthetic opportunities, or have bikes reached a perfect chassis design? And why make it ugly?

Still a fuell and his money…

[Bhud]

"150 miles of city range on a full charge"

What's city range? Going from stop light to stop light? And which city is 150 (or 75) miles across?

It's not a replacement for the motorcycle.

[A100man]

[doggone]

Mechanic friends are of the opinion unless the fire-you-can't-put-out risks are addressed you won't be able to take electric vehicles on a ferry or chunnel and a lot of garages won't want to work on them especially if they had even a minor crash.
Result will be sky high premiums.

[Bhud]

The mileage/range thing rings alarm bells because that's clearly marketing BS. A bit Tesla style - I don't really trust Buell on this one.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/elon-musk-had-tesla-overstate-its-battery-range-tesla-then-canceled-related-service-appointments/ar-AA1esjYR

The Fuell bike is cheaper than other electric bikes on the market, and at the same time the battery is replaceable, ostensibly so that when you run out of range, you can stop at a station and swap the battery. Why would a service station stock a particular type of swappable battery, ready-charged? The service station would have to price in the cost of renewing its stock as well, as the batteries wear out. And ownership of the battery rests with whom? In which case the majority of the bike's value rests with [...], so what does $11K buy you? Let's say it's bought by people who only want to do a circle around their home area. What I suspect is that they will not escape having to replace these types of batteries anyway due to finite battery life. And it only makes sense when they want to sell it on, they will put a fresh battery in from the local service station.

Nah, this model doesn't make sense in the way it's presented there. What's to stop anyone getting a motor, a frame, and then popping down to the service station and hiring/buying a battery just like a renewable propane cylinder, which they don't have to return for n years as they keep charging it at home? So many questions...

On the safety side, I agree it only takes a few major incidents before a new regulatory framework is proposed, relegating these to limited leisure use. In an underground car park under an office block, if it catches fire, that's a problem. Insurers won't like it.

[Nobby the Bastard]

So how about a battery thats swappable like, I don't know, the 12V one that you start your bike with but all the same for every bike?
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[Jmoan]

How would handling be affected if that's an entire hub motor on the back wheel.

[Bhud]

Well, he's trying to engineer out obsolescence by saying the battery can be swappable if you pay a bit more, and the motor can be made removable, too. But the only way this can work his company is if he locks in the batteries and the motors to work only on these specific bikes. Otherwise, you could just buy a battery, and a motor, and have no need for the rest of the bike. Having tied this in with some kind of IP, long lease or subscription, I don't see on what basis any other company would want compatibility with these batteries and motors.

Take, for example, MIDI. In the early 80s, CV triggers were the only means of connecting different electronic instruments. The manufacturers got together and designed a format for cross-compatibility between instruments, so that they could all communicate with each other. This increased the instruments' utility. As a result, they were able to sell this communicability as a product feature with any product that had it. What they didn't do was make the MIDI protocol a trade secret. It was completely open so that anyone could design an instrument to work with another. But what the average Joe couldn't do in his shed was buy these very expensive EEPROMs and make his own MIDI instrument. Some people could do it but they weren't average. Nowadays, cross-compatibility between electronic instruments is a basic requirement, not an added feature.

This is different from an electric bike. If you design in a cross-manufacturer standard for swappable batteries, then anyone in their obsolete electric bike can buy your upgraded battery. Say, for example, someone bought a first-gen Livewire. Then Buell comes up with a better battery, just as that Livewire's battery is clapping out. Does he go back to HD and pay whatever they ask for a new battery or completely new bike, or does he go to Buell and slot in a compatible battery? If he does the latter, HD is not happy. Buell might not be happy either as the battery developer and seller might be, say, Duracell. Same goes for the motor, etc. Then why would anyone want a HD, Buell or Zero when all you need is a basic shell plus the latest motor and battery of the day, to have something top-of-the-line. So it has to be a rigid, locked-in proprietary model.

[Robby]

Swappable batteries aren't going to happen.

Fast charging on cars is currently down to about 15 minutes to 80% on some of the newest models, and that's using a big 80kwh battery. That will continue to improve and become more available - if someone puts in a fast charger now it's going to in the 150-350kw range. A few years back they were 50kw.

If someone sorts out DC fast charging on a bike, even a 50kw charger will fill the small (10-20kwh) battery as quick as the battery can take it. The bottleneck is the tech filtering down to bikes.

Swappable batteries aren't happening for car because fast charging is fast enough. Chargers are expensive enough, battery swap stations would be at least an order of magnitude more expensive and require a standard battery. Even if bikes did go for a standard battery, there won't be enough bikes out there to make swap stations worthwhile.

Electric bike tech is 5-10 years behind cars. I'm not sure if they will break out that delay at all, there aren't enough customers to justify the investment.

[Easy-X]

[Polarbear]

[Robby]

[Polarbear]

And electric is something other companys are encouraging.

It's all a bunch of lies.

LNG from around the world, shipped in LNG carriers is the absolute cheapest per therm in existance despite what Greenpeace and co say. That won't change for a generation simply because once an LNG supply is drilled, it costs pennies to supply.
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[Easy-X]

[Bhud]

Fewer bikes on the road - and those which are, powered by petrol - has to be the way forward. Not yet another abortive business venture by Buell or any other startup. Engines are a well-developed technology and nobody enacts new restrictions and laws to deal with the "menace" of the tailpipe emissions or noise of that weird guy who goes for a ride on Sunday, or on a weekday evening ride, on an eccentric conveyance of his choice.

[stinkwheel]

[Nobby the Bastard]