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PostPosted: 08:44 - 04 Aug 2023    Post subject: Tyre plug kit to keep under the seat... Reply with quote

I've already had a puncture in the last year but keep forgetting to get one of these Embarassed

I know that a properly fitted plug (ie by a proper bike garage) is safe to ride on until the tyre is worn out, but are there any reputable portable kits about that you would fit a plug with yourself?
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 04 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used the figure of eight "stop and go" kits before.

Dynaplug make a very easy and compact kit but it struggles with a bigger puncture.

The bacon strip plug kits work fine too, just keep stabbing them in until you have enough to seal it.

Pumping it up afterwards is one issue to consider. It's hard work with a pump and you need multiple CO2 cannisters to do the rear wheel on a modern sportsbike.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 04 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used various plugs but the last time was years ago on my K100
and still have the kit now
Since then I've been using Slime/Goop etc sealer stuff instead and haven't been stranded at the side of the road with a flat tyre bike or car.

Maybe I've been lucky and I don't believe any product is 100% foolproof
but cant recall having any serious tyre issues for ages
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 04 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I've used the figure of eight "stop and go" kits before.

Rema Tip Top. Thumbs Up

stinkwheel wrote:
Pumping it up afterwards is one issue to consider.

These small, rechargeable inflators are rather good, and fit under the seat -
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 04 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used the rubbery string stuff many many itimes and not had one come out. That's not exactly true I got one out after running a very worn tyre at low pressure just to make it to a garage, but I pulled it out it didn't fall out.

Last week I had to take off the tyre for a proper patch puncture repair and I tried to pull a string reparir out and it was stuck in there good and proper I had to shave it off flush on the inside witha razor blade and it still fought me.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 04 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rema works perfectly.
Lasts for years under the seat too.

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PostPosted: 07:51 - 06 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tried a few different ones.. had a few punctures too

I keep a dynaplug under my seat it's quick, easy to use and gets you out a jam quickly.

But I recommend the stop and go style ones (which you can get knock off versions on Ali express for about £12) once you've used it a couple of times it's fast easy to use and you don't get any slow punctures.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 06 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

The important thing with the figure of eight ones is you need to ream the hole out thoroughly so the reamer tool moves quite easily and use lots of blue goop on the plug. If you don't, they snap as you try to insert them leading to a sense of humour failure at the side of the road.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers folks, I'd forgotten about the TipTop brand, years ago when I was doing lots of cycling they made the best puncture kits for pushbikes - by a country mile.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The important thing with the figure of eight ones is you need to ream the hole out thoroughly so the reamer tool moves quite easily and use lots of blue goop on the plug. If you don't, they snap as you try to insert them leading to a sense of humour failure at the side of the road.


That must have happened to one of your mates.

I can't imagine anything making you so upset that you lose your sense of humour. Razz
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Pumping it up afterwards is one issue to consider. It's hard work with a pump and you need multiple CO2 cannisters to do the rear wheel on a modern sportsbike.


Also need to be respectful of how cold the CO2 canisters get. Even with a plastic sheath on mine I managed to kill a tiny diamond shaped patch of skin on my thumb through a gap in the plastic.

I carry an old Stop & Go kit with the mushrooms. Got me out of trouble a few times, but I have had to pull them out and re-ream the hole a couple of times when they've failed to seal on the first go.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only used the strips myself. And thankfully not had to use often, either. For me, punctures seem to take place fairly close if not at home on my own street (or back lane where the pikeys throw screws). But, I use them on the bike or car no matter.

The only bike I have that is tubeless it the Honda, and the tyre goes flat once a week anyway- Not sure entirely if it is due to the repair I made being poor (it's in an awkward place), or some other issue like valve seat or stem seal. But I've coped for thousands of miles now just so I can keep going until the tyre's life has elapsed I suppose.

The other bikes are tubed, and I keep repair patches for them, and tools. Of course, I have an electric pump (the type that plug into a cigarette lighter) in the top box at all times, but I have a hand pump for the 6v machines. At least I can pump the tyres at a reasonable pressure to get me to a petrol station with an air pump.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

why cant you put an innertube in a tubeless tyre?
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

to v or not to v wrote:
why cant you put an innertube in a tubeless tyre?


Why would you want to when they can be safely repaired?

I have a mushroom style stop & go kit - it's very compact and works well.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
I have a mushroom style stop & go kit - it's very compact and works well.

Are they still regarded as temporary/under 50mph, or fit-and-forget? I’m in the latter category. In fact I had a car tyre permanently “patched” recently and the guy said something about mushrooms. Might have been off his tits, mind.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serendipity wrote:
Also need to be respectful of how cold the CO2 canisters get. Even with a plastic sheath on mine I managed to kill a tiny diamond shaped patch of skin on my thumb through a gap in the plastic.

Spot on, dude. The one time I used the CO2 cannisters was my last. Even with a gloved hand around the neoprene insulator sleeve, I could feel the cold through my glove. That thing will give you frostbite on a 40 C Summer Day. Four cannisters (exhausted the kit) and barely got my rear tire to 30psi. Now I use a micro compressor for emergency use. Not much bigger than a cigarette pack, it fits easily under the seat. I got a powerlet plug for use on my BMW, and an SAE adapter for the YBR. Bought mine from Amazon

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PostPosted: 20:17 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Are they still regarded as temporary/under 50mph, or fit-and-forget? I’m in the latter category. In fact I had a car tyre permanently “patched” recently and the guy said something about mushrooms. Might have been off his tits, mind.

I'm of the opinion that the best quality permanent repairs require tire removal and patch plug fitment from the inside. I've used such permanent plugs fitted to Metzler Roadtec rear tyres and continued to use the tyres for well over 10,000 miles on two occasions. One such tire had multiple plugs, used without incident. Tyre shop guy was shocked when he mounted a new tyre; said, "I would have stopped after the first plug." What does he know? Probably just wants to sell me a new tyre. Cool
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

to v or not to v wrote:
why cant you put an innertube in a tubeless tyre?


When you pump up a bladder inside a tubeless tyre, how are you ever going to know if the bladder is fully inflated or whether the air space is shared between a part-inflated bladder and the air trapped between the bladder and the tyre carcass?
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it matter if it is?
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
When you pump up a bladder inside a tubeless tyre, how are you ever going to know if the bladder is fully inflated or whether the air space is shared between a part-inflated bladder and the air trapped between the bladder and the tyre carcass?

I do not think the valve stem will form an airtight seal against the wheel. The trapped air between the tube and tyre will vent at the valve stem
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 07 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Islander wrote:
I have a mushroom style stop & go kit - it's very compact and works well.

Are they still regarded as temporary/under 50mph, or fit-and-forget? I’m in the latter category. In fact I had a car tyre permanently “patched” recently and the guy said something about mushrooms. Might have been off his tits, mind.


From memory they're intended to be temporary but I suspect that's arse armour for the manufacturer. I've plugged a couple of bike tyres and a couple of car tyres with the kit and run them for the lifetime of the tyre with no issues. Mind you, I've done the same with the old fashioned sticky string repairs.

I'd treat it as a personal choice.
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PostPosted: 03:31 - 08 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

to v or not to v wrote:
why cant you put an innertube in a tubeless tyre?


Some say that the tyre can overheat due to friction between the tube and tubeless tyre liner.

Tubeless tyres are not entirely tubeless.
The inner tube is part of the inside of the tubeless tyre.
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PostPosted: 05:44 - 08 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:

When you pump up a bladder inside a tubeless tyre, how are you ever going to know if the bladder is fully inflated or whether the air space is shared between a part-inflated bladder and the air trapped between the bladder and the tyre carcass?


Because it usually takes over 60psi to force the bead onto the rim?
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 08 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

to v or not to v wrote:
why cant you put an innertube in a tubeless tyre?


The rear on my tubless tyred bike did have a tube in it when I got it and I realised when I got to the end of life of the tyre.

I might put in a tube again if I get pissed off at the tyre going down every week. But it's done that for a while now so I'm used to the process of firing up the compressor and letting it get to pressure whilst rolling out the bike anyway. No time is really lost.
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PostPosted: 04:10 - 11 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

blurredman wrote:
to v or not to v wrote:
why cant you put an innertube in a tubeless tyre?


The rear on my tubless tyred bike did have a tube in it when I got it and I realised when I got to the end of life of the tyre.

I might put in a tube again if I get pissed off at the tyre going down every week. But it's done that for a while now so I'm used to the process of firing up the compressor and letting it get to pressure whilst rolling out the bike anyway. No time is really lost.


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