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Gazdaman I did a trackday!!!
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I think those pics show that it was Sete's fault, by riding into Rossi, rather than Rossi going wide and forcing him off.
Although once they'd touched I think Rossi just made sure it stuck.
Good racing if you ask me
But I agree with G, if this kind of thing becomes acceptable it'll come down to a demolition derby kind of affair. I think this particular move was acceptable.
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scottiel Trackday Trickster
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It was a racing incident. I did exactly the same on saturday, as I came into the hairpin a guy came round the outside of me and cut me off for next corner, as we came out of this corner and headed for final corner i cut inside him got the power down came under him he turned on to me, I pushed him wide and crossed the line before him. ok so we are only clubman racers and it was for 15th place but racing is racing and IF YOUR NOT IN THEN YOU CAN'T WIN.
The guy came up to me later and said it was a great move and shook my hand. Sete is just a moody shit when things don't go his way. Rossi was a bit Agressive but thats why he is a Legend. In 10 years time where will Sete be. |
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Quote: | As for blame, I'd say 50/50. |
I dont exactly agree. i dont like to lay blame but take a look at the screenshots, watch Rossi's line, he hardly moves at all. Obviously we cant see what speed rossi was entering the corner at, whether or not he was coming in too fast is not what im interested in, the fact is rossi take the racing line, sete was wide and should not have been. Look where rossi ends up-exactly where you would expect him to be, its sete who has come in too wide HIT rossi (check the shots it's clearly sete who moves into rossi), and then keeps rossi tight on the turn, even tighter than usually as he has sete on his right side keeping him tight, which results in sete sacrificing his line and ending up in the rough. The collision which caused the problem was COMPLETELY sete's fault, if a car knocks me im not going to accept responsibility for it. Its the same here. ____________________ 'Yes, of course! We can't crush a mutiny here, only to return home and find everyone wearing overalls and breaking wind in the palaces of the mighty!' |
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Quote: | As for blame, I'd say 50/50. |
I dont exactly agree. i dont like to lay blame but take a look at the screenshots, watch Rossi's line, he hardly moves at all. Obviously we cant see what speed rossi was entering the corner at, whether or not he was coming in too fast is not what im interested in, the fact is rossi take the racing line, sete was wide and should not have been. Look where rossi ends up-exactly where you would expect him to be, its sete who has come in too wide HIT rossi (check the shots it's clearly sete who moves into rossi), and then keeps rossi tight on the turn, even tighter than usually as he has sete on his right side keeping him tight, which results in sete sacrificing his line and ending up in the rough. The collision which caused the problem was COMPLETELY sete's fault, if a car knocks me im not going to accept responsibility for it. Its the same here. ____________________ 'Yes, of course! We can't crush a mutiny here, only to return home and find everyone wearing overalls and breaking wind in the palaces of the mighty!' |
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I'd disagree that Sete was at all wide. If anything, I reckon he had a defensive line for that corner. If you look at this pic you can see that both riders are on the lighter part of the track, ie where it's dusty and to the left of the normal racing line. Also look at where the rumble strips are in the pictures for a good indication of the normal racing line - Sete was far closer to it and would have probably made the normal apex if it wasn't for Rossi.
https://www.marca.com/05/04/10/maniobra_rossi/01.jpg
I don't think anyone's saying that Rossi shouldn't have tried to overtake, but I do still feel that Rossi outbraked himself on completely the wrong line and ran into Sete as a result. Although Sete does move in towards Rossi's line, the line Rossi's on is nowhere near the normal apex for the corner.
Quote: | The collision which caused the problem was COMPLETELY sete's fault, if a car knocks me im not going to accept responsibility for it. Its the same here. |
I don't think you can compare a road accident to something that happens on track. If what you were saying was true then riders could run into corners at speeds too high to get round a corner, on a line to the extreme left or right of the track and then blame other riders for following the normal line and then hitting them. It's not logical.
I'm not really 'blaming' Rossi because I still think it's a non-incident, but if anyone was at fault it was him. Bugsy, I'm sure you'd feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot and Sete ran into Rossi. To be crystal clear though, I don't think it should have been dealt with by race direction and I'm glad the result remained as it should have, because the quickest man won. |
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That's crazy - not so much the brutal highside, but the people lining the edge of the track on the last lap People could have died if a rider has left the track at speed! |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 19 years, 69 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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