ICE phase-out delay

[Easy-X]

It's official: ICE cars, vans will still be sold up till 2035. I did say this would happen /smug_mode:on

No mention of motorcycles. Previously 2035, talk of 2030, now maybe 2040?
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[Nobby the Bastard]

2035 is the EU date so make sense. No point making it later in the UK when manufacturers will have abandoned ICE in 2035.
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[Rob Fzs]

2030 was the Boris target and that guy had no grasp of anything but the next book deal

Give it ten years and there will be plenty of very cheap EV's from China and then some very expensive ones made in Europe, luckily the pollution will be reduced because alot of people won't have a job to go to anymore
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[Polarbear]

Absolutely the right thing to do. My Shell shares thank Mr. Sunak.

In seriousness, as Nobby says, makes total sense to align with the EU.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

[Easy-X]

[Nobby the Bastard]

I don't see many people rushing to create bio-fuels without losing money or throwing in energy in the process so the point is largely moot. Increasing the percentage of ethanol in fuel by 5% caused such a gnashing of teeth in this forum alone, imagine just how many fuel pipes and seal will be destroyed by 100%.
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[Robby]

I keep seeing people like Easy-X banging on about alternative fuels and hydrogen. I assume it gets mentioned on Gbeebies.

Alternative fuels and hydrogen both could have uses, but will be horribly expensive. If they were vaguely competitive on price, we would already have them.

Ethanol requires a lot of land and a lot of energy putting into processing (you can't distil alcohol without heat).

Hydrogen requires a lot of electricity to make it, then a load more to compress and transport, then leaks out of your tank and finally loses a bit more in making electricity in the fuel cell.

Battery electric works, and gets better each year.

I'm looking forward to the entire parliamentary conservative party fitting in a minibus in 2025.

[Easy-X]

The thing with Ethanol and Hydrogen is they have, like petrol, high energy density which current battery technology does not. "Ye cannae change the laws of physics, captain!" Solid-state batteries are being talked up a lot at the moment but then "New battery technology set to double range!" is a perennial clickbait headline

Don't worry about the e-fuels thing - for cars anyway - it's not for the likes of you! Think billionaires in e-fuel Ferraris hurtling down the autobahns on the way to another Climate Conference

It might however turn into an overlooked escape hatch for the continued existence of ICE motorcycles. Buy e-fuel bike, remap to petrol, ride off into the sunset leaving only asthmatic kittens in your wake
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Bio fuels may be useful for existing ICE vehicles but I can't see manufacturers rushing to build them past 2035 simply because the market in bio fuel can't sustain them.

There will be no money in it. The Germans may have ensured that they can be created but when the market has gone all electric...

Fuel cells and ICE using non-fossile fuel is a non-stater until fusion powered generation works.
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[Robby]

[Howling Terror]

Solid State batteries look promising. Toyota, Honda, and Nissan are putting a fair amount of effort into making them viable.

From memory; They are lighter and recharge time is real world fast...something like 0>80% in 15 mins.

I don't like EVs...then again lots of people didn't like diesel locomotives and preferred the excitement of steam engines.

2/ vs 4/ ...I mean what sounds better than a 2 stroke in full song.

The times rolls on.

Have to add that having experienced 0-100 in a Tesla it was extremely addictive.

Does anyone here know if the UK are playing their part in battery power as it's an industry that would be an much needed string to the uk bow.
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[grr666]

Why can't we have both? If you want an electric car then buy one, if you don't then buy an ICE car. What irks me
about all this is someone else deciding on my behalf what I should buy. I drive a modern 2.0 petrol car with a very
ordinary 120bhp, it gives me well over 50mpg on a run and over 40 around town. On it's last MOT it produced
zero readable emissions on both the idle and fast idle tests. It says 0% on my certificate. It's not remapped now nor
will it ever be because I'm happy with it's performance and even happier with it's economy. It's not killing any polar
bears and it's barely feeding trees. If say 30% of conventional engine car drivers change through their own choice
and buy electric cars then that's still about 10 million fewer ICE engined cars on the road. I'm sure they are
ideal for a great many people and if that's you then great, crack on. It's the pushing them on people that pisses
me off and the relentless attempts to legislate you into one regardless of what you might want to spend your money on.
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[doggone]

They are very light on info about what happens to commercial diesels not just HGVs but pickups and big vans that need to tow up to 3.5 tons regularly.
Fairies will just make all that stuff they haven't even thought about continue to get done I expect

[Robby]

[Easy-X]

[Easy-X]

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[Nobby the Bastard]

Voltage, size and shape can be made universal though. This is the biggest problem with supplying batteries across a range of vehicles.
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[Easy-X]

[Robby]

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

Haven’t you just refuted your own argument by saying the old standard for laptop cells was replaced by better (smaller) ones? Development is then limited to improved cooling and chemical purification but the basic technology is frozen.

[Polarbear]

What's all this then?

Firms still forced to sell more electric cars despite petrol ban delay

From January, just over a fifth of vehicles sold must be electric, with the target expected to hit 80% by 2030.

Firms that fail to hit the quotas could be fined £15,000 per car.

How the fcuk can that work unless car companies actually refuse to sell petrol/diesel cars if they come close to their quota. So you can buy diesel car, if you can find someone who will sell you one? Jesus, the goernment is still comtrolling what you buy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66875554
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