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jlparsons
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Handlebar vibration modifications Reply with quote

Thought I'd post this here in case it's of use to anyone. I have a 2023 BMW S1000XR which wasn't bad for handlebar vibration but there was more than I liked so I thought I'd do something about it. I added Ecotech hand guard protectors which adds significantly to the weight at the ends, both with heavier bar weights and the thick metal protector bars themselves. I have also now injected two-part shore 40 silicone rubber into the handlebars as well and tested again. Results of vibration tests so far;

Stock weights- Max 6.9 Mean 3.7
Evotech hand guard protectors - Max 5.0 Mean 3.5
Evotech & shore 40 silicone injected - Max 3.6 Mean 2.9

So quite a reduction again for the silicone, in fact more proportionally than the Evotech hand guard protectors which I didn't anticipate. Not perfect test conditions however, these measurements were made with a vibration app using my phone's internal accelerometer while holding the phone in the vertical position with the bottom pressed against the end weight on the right, engine started cold and waiting till the revs settle down to take the measurement for each test, so far from all variables accounted for but about the best I could do with the equipment I have (bugger all) and I think this should give a valid comparison. I went with shore 40 two part silicone (Smooth-On Mold Max 40) as I figured a denser and more firm silicone would dampen vibration more and should last effectively forever. I couldn't find much data comparing silicone grades for this purpose unfortunately. This silicone has a 45 minute pot life and in this case (18 degrees C ambient) stayed easily workable for about twice that time, which did make me worry something was wrong and it was not curing!

To inject it I put the bike on the side stand with the bars in full left lock to give as much of a slant as I could, took out both bar end bolts and used a large 300ml syringe to force it through until it started dripping out of the other end, which took a while and a lot of pressure. I then installed the left bar end bolt first to push the mixture further up, then put in the right bolt and tightened both finger tight. I think the viscosity of this mixed silicone was a about right, any more and it would have been difficult to push through, any less and I suspect you'd have a greater likelihood of air gaps. I vacuum-treated the mix first using the syringe and pushing out the resulting air before injecting.

One point of note however, turns out there is a hole in the handlebars within the left hand control cluster, and when you screw in the handlebar end bolts the pressure inside the bar increases and forces a dribble of silicone out of this hole. I didn't expect there to be a hole as there is no internal cable routing so I suspect this is a hole for a pin to secure the controls in place. Fortunately this was a minor dribble out the bottom of the control wheel assembly and I was able to clear this up as it dripped and I wound back the bolts a tad once I realised it was happening - as soon as the pressure was lowered the drip stopped so I think the gap must be tiny and the quite thick silicone mix only came out when under pressure. Methylated spirits and kitchen roll cleans up the silicone very effectively so I'm left with no residue and the control wheel function is not affected. ideally though if you're going to do this you should take off the left controls (or undo and slide them if possible to reveal the hole) and tape this before you proceed. Make sure to cover the bike where the silicone will drip out the right end of the bar when the bar is full too, but the meths and kitchen roll will clear up any drips perfectly and any missed will peel off easily once cured. Also take some silicone lubricant spray (or silicone grease or just oil would suffice) and make sure the bar end bolts are lightly coated before you insert them to seal the bars after injecting the silicone otherwise the silicone will lock them in.

One possibility I considered but rejected was to suspend powdered tungsten in the silicone once mixed. I think if you went with a low viscosity silicone you could end up with a tungsten-silicone mixture which was still injectible but this would likely have to be tested multiple silicone grades, plus 500g of powdered tungsten can be found for about £50 so I expect you'd have to spend several hundred pounds on experiments before you got a recipe for an injectible mix. However I calculated that mixed tungsten powder and silicone should have a density about equal to lead (tungsten is about twice as dense as lead) as opposed to a density slightly higher than water for the plain silicone, so much more weight and I suspect much greater internal damping as the tungsten would be suspended weight. Maybe someone braver or richer than me can give it a try![/i]


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PostPosted: 16:55 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

The old way was to fill the bar with lead shot. Has the advantage you can remove it if you want to.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 01 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The old way was to fill the bar with lead shot. Has the advantage you can remove it if you want to.


I considered this, but discounted it as adding more weight is best done at the bar ends for better effect and there's no reason you couldn't easily cast or turn lead bar end weights to replace steel if you wanted. Also I wasn't entirely happy with the idea of having lead shot loose in the aluminium handlebar in case the thousands of little impacts every second might work harden the bars over time and make them brittle - I suspect not, but there's only one way you'd find out about it. Shocked

I concluded that the best way to use the internal volume of the bars was to add damping not weight. Suspended weight inside the damping medium would work better still however, but it was a bridge too far for me. I considered filling the bars with lead buck shot and then pushing silicone through this, but this would have needed experimenting to see what viscosity silicone would make it through those little gaps. Then I almost pushed the button on the tungsten/silicone option as above, but although my gut said it'd be injectible I couldn't be sure and didn't want to risk that much money on a pure experiment.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 01 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other way if you were getting intrusive vibrations was to try repositioning the engine. There's always a degree of slop on the engine mounts. You loosen all the engine mounts then either jack up under the engine or give it a few kicks and re-tighten. Or nip them up again while the engine is running. This will alter the frequency of vibrations transmitted to the frame.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 01 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The other way if you were getting intrusive vibrations was to try repositioning the engine. There's always a degree of slop on the engine mounts. You loosen all the engine mounts then either jack up under the engine or give it a few kicks and re-tighten. Or nip them up again while the engine is running. This will alter the frequency of vibrations transmitted to the frame.


That's interesting, it's not something I'd considered. It's still a very new bike and I don't think the bike is any more vibey than it should be, especially given it's an inline four with no balancing shaft. So I don't think I'll mess with it just yet.
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