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PostPosted: 09:43 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Labour Voters.. Why? Reply with quote

I am as baffled as the guy in the video.

He asks some very intelligent questions in a very logical manner, questions I would like to see answered.

Of course, I doubt the one or two marxists here will have the guts to watch the video to the end and comment in a non emotional manner.

They will watch 10 seconds, if they even bother, close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears and cry that famous non sequitur " racist".

For the more rational among you, I genuinly want to hear your comments.

I have an answer to one of his questions right now. Expect to be paying over £2 per litre of fuel in your bike before six months is out and £150 in road tax per year.
God help you if you drive a range rover....

The rational, well thought out vid. I do not know the guy and have not followed him, he just popped up on my recommendations, but he asks some damned good questions.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qi5qJVpHq8o&pp=ygULcGF1bCB0aG9ycGU%3D
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Point of order: the electorate didn't vote in a Labour government they voted out the Tory government. The first-past-the-post system did the rest.

While the video purports to address the third of the population that voted Labour, that third cannot hear or answer any of these questions - it's not in their psychological make up. Mr. Thorpe is therefore only talking to everyone else.

"Why would you vote for misery?" That question only works for a sensible human being. Genuine dyed in the wool Reds do not understand the concept of cause and effect.

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PostPosted: 12:10 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

80% if electorate didn't vote for labour, it will turn ugly when they start trying to force the stuff through which they haven't said out loud yet.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
80% if electorate didn't vote for labour, it will turn ugly when they start trying to force the stuff through which they haven't said out loud yet.


If we can work that out it's likely key people in the backrooms will also be conscious of the fact. While the Right-Wing press are all doom and gloom at the moment expect a transition to the Left-Wing press overusing phrases such as "watered down" and "walked back" soon after with regards to any of the more bizarre manifesto pledges. Not there are as many of those as one would think.

I've seen Right-Wing commentators hoping Labour will go completely mad with power over the next 5 years but my prediction is another term of mediocrity Neutral
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mediocrity ? we should be so lucky.
I fear we'll have a Marxist SNP type gov fucking it all up
with further erosion of liberties and free speech.
Remember, Starmer couldn't or wouldn't dare say what a woman was
for a long time.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll start when he goes to the EU to negotiate more favourable terms and comes away with sweet fuck all. Nothing will be done with the migrants staying in hotels. Rwanda will want paying off. Doctors/nurses will go back on strike and the unions will have more clout. Then it'll come out that they gave significant managerial control of British Power to mates/relatives who will squander millions with nothing to show for it.

Press will poke at it all until it triggers a leadership contest, then the real loony lefties will crawl out of the woodwork. THEN it'll all go to hell in a handbasket.

It'll take a while though. Three/four years.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then enter Farage stage right - it's just like France now.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Then enter Farage stage right - it's just like France now.


The key thing for Farage is he's now inside the tent pissing out. He'll be get a surprising amount done just bumping into people in a corridor or having a quite beer in the Strangers' Bar.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't get past the fake tan, and the super white fake teeth. Everything about that bloke screams phoney. He starts by saying he want to ask questions and hear answers and then launches into giving his half baked opinions.
If it gets better, let me know and I'll watch another minute.
YT is full of crap like that.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldnt be bothered to watch a 25 min video, he bored me within seconds. Whats the TL;DR questions he wants answered? I skimmed through looking for it and saw the sub heading "woke is going to explode" at which point I immediately lost interest because it just shows the guy is a cock. Like everyone who uses "woke" as a pejorative but then cant actually define what "woke" is.

Theres a lot of pissing and moaning by people unhappy that Labour got in, but what did you actually want?

You had two choices, Tory or Labour, under FPTP no other party was ever going to be in power. And who can possibly still be wanting the Tories in power after the utter shower of shite theyve been?

Give them a chance, they cant possibly be any worse than the way the Tories were going.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

And arrives the "I blindly vote contingent".

I voted the tories out because they betrayed me, without bothering to look at the who am I voting in. In any case its all very boring...

I do not want to watch the vid because I do not want to know how badly I fucked up...

Yup, we are all going to pay for your fuck up. Very well done. Bravo.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

tinkicker wrote:
And arrives the "I blindly vote contingent".

I voted the tories out because they betrayed me, without bothering to look at the who am I voting in. In any case its all very boring...

I do not want to watch the vid because I do not want to know how badly I fucked up...

Yup, we are all going to pay for your fuck up. Very well done. Bravo.


da phuq?
so its all our fault is it?
fuck off
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it’s a valid 4-word question but the video added nothing.

Tierbirdy wrote:
You had two choices, Tory or Labour.

Doh! A vote for change, then? Laughing
I voted Reform UK. It was a protest vote and they didn’t win this constituency but I wouldn’t give my vote to either of the two main parties in current guise (too similar, too incompetent), and the Lib Dems have long-since shown themselves to be neither liberal nor democratic so they can sod off too. Reform aren’t the BNP, they’re not even UKIP, we rightly rejected those.

If you look at the French election the support for the Right-wing has forced the Left to form an alliance and backtrack on Macron’s unpopular reforms, so that’s a victory which wouldn’t have happened without the National Rally. Meanwhile the Right hasn’t gone away, it’s an ongoing brake on the unpopular excesses of the Left. Most people only vote for the ‘hard right’ if they think the ‘far left’ is over-reaching itself. In Westminster I’m pleased that there are a handful of Reform MPs in place to object to the excesses we’re about to see, even if their influence will be limited only to debating. Farage is a capable orator, I don’t know about the others.

Meanwhile in the UK the new Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has set out the plan to tackle small boat crossings. Um… give the various and already cooperative agencies an overarching name (woo!) and work to recruit an "exceptional leader" to head the body. Another beaurocrat, but maybe he/she will have some ideas, eh? Cooper surely hasn’t.

Ah, but wait, the new government is preparing a bill to “create counter-terror powers” aimed at tackling ‘organised immigration crime,’ so the focus will be on the ‘people-smuggling gangs’, thus making out that the illegal immigrants themselves are innocent victims. “Come on in, you poor lambs.” And so it goes on.

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PostPosted: 22:50 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

First order of business is that you need to fix your oversized avatar so that it's 80 pixels wide and 100 pixels high.

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PostPosted: 23:04 - 07 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
It was a protest vote...


We are told that a protest vote is pointless but the numbers lurk like a shadow behind every Uniparty win. At some point the penny will drop that the UK electorate now have a taste for political executions.
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PostPosted: 02:46 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused as to why the Tories would be better when they were more interested in stabbing each other in the back and lining their own pockets than governing?
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to ask all those Deformers on here a question.

How does it feel to know that your protest vote resulted in Labour winning its second biggest ever majority, the resurgence of Liberal Democrats and the Greens winning a roughly similar number of seats as your chosen party?
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy. Pretty good actually. The expectation was one seat, maybe two. To get five seats is pretty astounding and a huge achievement for a tiny party run from someone's kitchen 12 months ago and 4 weeks to prepare for a general election.

Alex salmond himself said it took the SNP 20 years to get where reform is now.

Now they will get the resources and time they need to make themselves into a force to be reckoned with.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
We are told that a protest vote is pointless...


Nobby the Bastard wrote:
How does it feel to know that your protest vote resulted in Labour winning its second biggest ever majority


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PostPosted: 10:22 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

tinkicker wrote:
Very Happy. Pretty good actually. The expectation was one seat, maybe two. To get five seats is pretty astounding and a huge achievement for a tiny party run from someone's kitchen 12 months ago and 4 weeks to prepare for a general election.


Pretty easy to do that when the main options suck and you can pick a few low hanging, undeliverable fruits that appeal to the masses.

tinkicker wrote:

Now they will get the resources and time they need to make themselves into a force to be reckoned with.


Lets see in a couple of years how they are getting on. Farage is a grifter like many before and many to come. I don't have much faith he can actually do anything other than appeal to certain types of people.
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remind me how long the Labour party were in power the last time they had a majority of that size?
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

tinkicker wrote:
Very Happy. Pretty good actually. The expectation was one seat, maybe two. To get five seats is pretty astounding and a huge achievement for a tiny party run from someone's kitchen 12 months ago and 4 weeks to prepare for a general election.

Alex salmond himself said it took the SNP 20 years to get where reform is now.

Now they will get the resources and time they need to make themselves into a force to be reckoned with.


I'm not sure that comparing early SNP to Reform Party is possibly the angle you meant to take. SNP may well have gone a lot further a lot quicker in their first 20 years if they hadn't gotten themselves a reputation for undermining the war effort.
There is also the minor point that Mr. Farage is like a snake but instead of shedding his skin he dumps his party name for another one whenever it becomes toxic.
Even a grade A moron should be able to make a populist party successful, or do you think populist means something else?
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Remind me how long the Labour party were in power the last time they had a majority of that size?


A different calibre back then. Tony Blair may have been vying for "Most Evil Man On The Planet" but there's no denying he had charisma and a plan. Starmer isn't a leader, he's a manager and he hasn't got the brightest people working for him.

For example, Rachel Reeves. Mandating a housing target and fiddling with definitions of green belt is just wishful thinking. The disjointed planning system adds years to any potential development and there isn't the physical capability to build that many houses anyway.

Something simple like "no social housing till you've been a citizen for 5 years" would solve the problem instantly.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Remind me how long the Labour party were in power the last time they had a majority of that size?

Farage and whatever party he's in will continue to grow until one of the main parties addresses the underlying concerns which have caused the rapid growth of Reform.

The number of places where Reform same second to Labour should be taken seriously. That was achieved in the short time from when Farage announced he would stand in the general election, most of their candidates were pretty much just placeholders who were never going to be elected.

Ignoring the elephant in the room will increase their number of supporters. Shouting at people telling them wrong and that they're racist white privileged gammon boomers who are worse than Hitler pushes people away from whatever party you're telling them they should support.

It's foolish to ignore how much influence Farage has.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple fact from my point of view is that these career politicos have got it backward.

They are there to serve the people and carry out their will. Number one duty is to keep the population safe.

Not at all what they seem to think. They seem to think we are a huge social experiment to push and shake as they see fit.

I do not think they realise the depth of anger building in the country.

The country is divided because of them. Perfectly normal people, who were friends are now boxed up either as:
Victim or oppressor.
Lefty or far right.
Woke or racist.

The country is toxic and its all down to political manipulation.

I really do fear for the future.
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