Ford eco thingy 1 litre petrol engine.

[Polarbear]

To the forum car gurus.....

Thinking of getting a Ford Focus rot box sh1t heap to replace my Jag with the insurance payout I got. It has a 1 litre 3 cylinder eco engine which on the good side means £20 road tax a year and on the bad side means it's slower than Brian the snail (for all you magic roundabout fans).

Are they reliable? reliableish or just fcuking crap?

This is the dagenham dustbin. Only done 22000 miles and within the money the insurance paid out as I'm buggered if I'm putting any more into it. I'd rather buy rum to toast my now toast Jaguar.

Any comments welcome, the sarkier the better.

https://www.hiltoncarsupermarket.co.uk/used-ford-focus-milton-keynes-buckinghamshire-6072000
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Check if it's had the wet belt done already. If it hasn't, don't touch it with a barge pole. If it has, check when it was done bearing in mind the things disintegrate in 4~6 years.
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[MarJay]

They don't have the best reputation tbh. They have an absolutely microscopic oil volume and have the aforementioned wet belt issue. They do make decent power for the capacity though.

I probably wouldn't.... I'd accept a larger ecoboost variant, but the 1l one has an especially bad reputation, as I said.
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[that_impulse_guy]

my wife had one, 2017 ecoboost titanium 1l turbo. (zero road tax)
she loved it.

I felt it was ok on boost, but then it used a tad more fuel, and off boost it was a 3 cyl 1 litre. But for pissing about with it was perfectly fine. Happy little car.

Being keyless is great because the thieves took it without any effort.

next time, try find the magic zero road tax but 2016 manual key version that has had a belt change done but also has the slightly less shitty sony dab radio and its not a CAT-xxx front bumper crash victim- combo.

p.s. did I mention majority of them that you'll find for sale are crash damaged front bumper jobs? The ones that get nicked become instant parts donors.
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my GF has a Toyota Auris. quite a nice car.
shit sound system though.
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[Pete.]

They aren't called the Ecoboom for nothing...
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132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good

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[UncleFester]

Mmmm i've got the Puma 130bhp 1.0L and my take is that IF you do the correct oil services and use the correct grade of oil then you'll be fine.
Given the number of these on the road, the failure rate isn't as bad as the internet would have you believe.

DSG auto box and it's nippy / economical ( mid 50s mpg most of the time) although i'm not sure i'd want it in a heavier Focus.

That said i've had this from new and i'll be making sure it gets the correct servicing and will be under warranty for the 3 years i'll keep it. Not sure i'd want a second hand one with an unknown history,
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[rpsmith79]

Get yourself a Kia Ceed, about the same size as Focus, if you are lucky you can still get one within warranty (7 years as standard)

I've had mine for 3 years now without issue, even got the seat replaced last year as the foam was starting to disintegrate

No sure what the lower trim/engine specs are like, but my GT spec has all the bells and whistles, i'm pretty sure you can get the GT-Line spec with a 1.0 turbo engine
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[UncleFester]

Tbh it's not just Ford. New BMW without a dipstick and a oil level sensor that's known for faults .....

Buy under warranty or stick with old stuff.
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2017 Z1000SX

[Polarbear]

Are pretty well all modern smallish cc engines wet belt or just certain manufacturers?
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The main ones to watch out for are Ford and Stellantis (Citroën, Peugeot, Fiat & Vauxhall) where there used in all the recent small turbo engines.

Easiest thing is to tap [your chosen car] + "wet belt" into Google and see if you get a load of people crying Actually, just searching common faults for any prospective car purchase is such a good idea I wonder why I never remember to do it
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[UncleFester]

I dunno, nothing new will last. Old stuff is cheap but needs looking after and most stuff is dull.

Some kind of Toyota Corolla Hybrid maybe, test drove the newer shape Rav4 - that was pleasant.

Big old Skoda Superb estate if you want to carry shit ..... but then it's a VW underneath so it will fall apart after year 5 unless you're lucky.

Prius / ioniq?

Do NOT buy a Mitsi Outlander - they are unreliable rubbish.

Old 5 series diesel but then they start to dissolve.

If you can find a decent one, the old Accord Estates are quite pleasant.

Lots of choice, not all of it good.
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[Polarbear]

Just read that low mileage per year engines are even worse because of crud and moisture in the oil that doesn't get heated off.

Thanks chaps. I think I'll pass on it. Too risky.
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[UncleFester]

Yup. Something that's been on motorways is far preferable to something that's been clattering around town. Modern Dervs with DPF do NOT like to be nursed around town, they need a run to keep them clear.

Do not look at a diesel Mazda - the CX-5 whilst a great car and reliable as hell in Petrol format is a ticking expensive bomb as a diesel - looked at one and then read up on the issues and walked away from the deal. The reason they are hard to find in the trade is because no one but main dealers will touch them.

Honestly, the old Pug 405 or Citroen BX Estate XUD diesels were brilliant. Actually, anything pre DPF and pre Dual Mass Flywheels are generally excellent.

Or you just lease something and hand it back when you get bored / the term is up. Once you factor out the depreciation / irritation, it starts to look like a far better value deal.

Once the PUMA comes to the end of the term, that's what i'll do and i'll keep doing that until I find the car i want to run into my retirement.

If i was buying 2nd hand, i'd want something i could home spanner and preferably without a silly collection of computers on board - that pretty much sums up my other car.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50641939781_a04c6a229e_k.jpg

1995 or thereabouts, cost me £800 and i've probably spent £2000 on it over 5 years. It runs lovely and doesn't really owe me a penny, current 'value' is probably what i've spent plus what I paid.
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[Polarbear]

OK chaps, I'm not sure if I shoud commit seppuku because I have bought a Peugeot

As I said I wasn't going to pay more than the 9 grand the insurance for my Jag gave me and after hearing the horror stories about wet belts I looked around for something that wasn't a time bomb.

So it's Pugot 2008. Done just over 30000 miles and is a, wait for it, DIESEL! A normal 1,6 diesel and it even has a 0-62 (weird figure) 9.1 seconds which is way better than some of the eco shite petrol jobbies I looked at. Yes, I know, trying to justify the purchase . It also has some form of pig piss injection blue rinse aid but as it means zero road tax I'll quite happiy carry said pig in the back until needed .

It's actually shite compared with the Jag. Black faux carbon fibre and plastic dash where as Jag had white leather. Seats made of some man made material and not heated compared with white heated leather seats which were all electric with memory, Non of this manual crap adjustment.

So I am now relegated to a car that does nothing but get me and the dog from A to B. No real driving enjoyment.

Oh, it's also about 30 points? lower on the insurance grouping than my jag so that might help when Mr. Direct Line wants his pound of flesh.
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[Polarbear]

[mentalboy]

For anyone else tempted by a Ford, make sure that it does not have the Powershift dual clutch automatic gearbox, if it does do not even think about it as it will have already had issues, issues that cannot be resolved just have to keep throwing replacement parts at it.

My missus stupidly bought one. That aside it gives an awful ride quality with a shit ton of road noise.

The Pug is a much better buy, no interior on a plebs car is going to match a Jag.
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[A100man]

VAG group 3 cyl 1.0 TSI is dry belt afaik - decent perform if you get the 110 hp version. You soon get used to lack of low-down grunt tbf.

50 mpg most of the time too in my Leon Estate. No boy racer thes days so I'm happy enough with it. and you save on spark plugs!
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[Robby]

As far as I can tell, all of those tiny engines with big power outputs were a bit of a technological dead end. It was one way of complying with emissions requirements and getting decent fuel economy on paper. The tradeoff was reliability.

I remember when they came out, the Ford version was only meant to last 100k. The idea was the the whole engine could be easily yanked out and replaced with a recon unit.

In the end, hybrid won the battle. Rather than trying to make an engine provide power across the rev range, with low emissions and low fuel burn, the engine only needs to be efficient in a few places, and the battery can fill in the gaps.

[Easy-X]

The problem is the metrics are all wrong. Instead of "at the roadside" emissions, cars (and probably lots of other things too) should have a "whole of life" value with regards to emissions - manufacture, use, disposal. Unfortunately that might reveal the sham of EVs if one factors in replacing the batteries every 5 years or so

What even is the lifetime of a car? 10 years / 200,000 miles?
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