This week's Clickbait: Road Pricing

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I'm seeing various scaremongering posts on the social medias about road pricing in the next budget, a Google search turns up loads of articles. Crucially though no one talks much about how it could be implemented

ANPR cameras covering the whole country would be insanely expensive and given the pushback against ULEZ, vulnerable to vandalism and plate cloning.

GPS trackers? Retro-fitting to every vehicle in the country (>40 million) is a big ask but it'd also have to be backed up by a partial ANPR camera network to catch out ppl leaving the GPS tracker at home.

Probably the easy path is to encourage more piecemeal metropolitan congestion charging schemes and then stride in to mandate a slice of the revenue for central government.
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[Polarbear]

I think it would be so unpopular whoever brought it in would pretty well be guaranteed to lose the next election.

We, with petrol and diesel cars already pay per mile by the amount of tax we pay on fuel' I dont think many people would be happy paying it twice (yes I know its meant to replace road tax but).

Also governments have gone down the street of giving green vehilcles a tax break with the excise duty. My shitbox pug is zero road tax. If they now change it to PPM it's obvious revenue is more important than eco shite. Electric car owners wont be happy either.

Then there is the practicality. Maybe in the citys you can get by with public transport but not in the sticks. Wifie drives from MK to Aylesbury every day for work and it takes her 35/40 mins. The quickest bus is an hour and a half and she would still have to walk a fair bit. It wouldn't be worth her working.

No, I think its a long way off yet.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Public services have to be paid for somehow. What would you prefer to be taxed to be pay for your NHS treatment in your doterage?
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[Polarbear]

[Polarbear]

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New cars where the ECU is expecting to see the GPS as one of its modules (and refusing to start without it) could definitely be a thing. Cars already having GPS trackers (e.g. Tesla) the government could hassle for the data. But what to do with "dumb" cars and motorcycles?

I think what I'm saying is this particular clickbait topic is dumb and impractical unless anyone knows otherwise?
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[tinkicker]

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When I first started working in London someone pointed out to me that the Tube charges for tickets based on how many zones you cross. That makes sense, right?

Until you realise that the richest people (six figures up) only cross one zone. Either they have a flat in the city or they commute in from some nice county pad and take the national rail trains to Waterloo (Zone 1).

People crossing four or more zones? Poor people.
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Most of Glasgow has had the speed cameras covered up for a while now, and new cameras are springing up. They look like the average speed cams on motorway, whatever theyre uo to I'm sure it'll bring in revenue for the forseeable future and beyond.

[Polarbear]

One thing you can guarantee, labours autumn budget will well ramp up the tax on fossil fuels - to help the green economy - of course
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[Polarbear]

[stinkwheel]

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With all due respect, Mr. Polarbear, the central problem with the state pension (nothing like a bit of thread derailment!) is a classic case of "Boomer Entitlement"

Throughout their working lives the Boomers felt their parents and grandparents were arguably due a chunk of current prosperity. The concept of "your" National Insurance actually paying for the older generations' pensions was not an issue when the youngsters vastly outnumber the oldsters. "We can afford to be generous! Triple Lock... fuck it, Quadruple Lock!"

And now its the Boomers' turn to get their state pension, they have a lot less Gen X and Millennials paying N.I. to pay the pensions. Suddenly it's "I've paid my National Insurance, I want my pension!" Sorry, it always has been the current generation paying the previous generation's pensions.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

In one year, massive inflation. Triple lock says increase state pension by that much. Following year, wages increased to compensate, triple lock says state pension by that much. Double bubble. Did you really pay for that?
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[Nobby the Bastard]

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I suspect people wilfully confuse how funded private pension schemes work with unfunded State and public pensions.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Same can be said for all government spending. The tax you pay now is not being saved up for your future usage, it's being used now to provide services. So, in the future when you need some of those services, they have not been paid for and has to be paid for by people who are paying tax at that point in time.

So, I will ask again, what would you like to be taxed to pay for NHS and nursing homes now at this point in time?
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[Nobby the Bastard]

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[stinkwheel]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Let the departments employ as many as they need rather than introducing artificial limits on headcount, which results in having to pay private sector to fill in the gaps at exorbatant rates and then it would change.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

So, what would you prefer? The work needs doing regardless. Either civil servants at a given rate taking into account the employers contribution for NI and pension or private sector at, if you are lucky, 3 times the amount?
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