The NHS

[Polarbear]

Ok, it's officially shite now with Lord Darzi's report. Nothing really that anyone didn't know already.

However one little nugget in the report said....

With the next winter crisis no doubt just around the corner and the health service already accounting for more than 40p out of every £1 spent on the day-to-day running of public services, it is easy to see why turning the NHS around is arguably the biggest challenge facing the new government.

Does that mean it's taking up over a third of all government spending or is that 40p in the pound looking at it another way? Surely it cant include everything, defence, education etc.

Can someone elucidate please.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crlrljjz884o
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Presumably per £ of tax. The defence budget is approximately a quarter of the NHS budget.

40% is a bit high, though. 20% is more accurate.

This link has a quite informative pie chart on it. https://ifs.org.uk/taxlab/taxlab-key-questions/what-does-government-spend-money

Quite what 'Other' is, I don't know, bearing in mind its the largest proportion.

Presumably kickbacks to tory donors.
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Government expenditure on healthcare, including spending by the NHS, local authorities and other public bodies financing healthcare, was £233.1 billion in 2021


Total departmental expenditure (Total DEL plus resource and capital departmental AME) was £1,182.8 billion in 2021-22, an increase of £84.0 billion or 7.6 per cent on the previous year.

(233/1183)x100= 19.7% of all government expenditure.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Pretty sure someone said that.

Let me check. Ah, yes, here it is.

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[Nobby the Bastard]

And I didnt do that myself?
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

So the forum’s new name is ‘Ask Nobby’ now. Must you be a fucking twat all the time? It’s boring.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Well, if you insist...
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[Easy-X]

If there's one thing Nobby hates more than people disagreeing with him... it's people agreeing with him
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[Polarbear]

Junior doctors accept 22% pay rise to end strikes. Add in train drivers.

But the 22billion black hole is due to the winter heating allowance. Which of course will be stolen off many poor people who wont get the triple lock rise until NEXT year.

Old people, go die!

Nobby will be cheering your demise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5yy13ng33o
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[Nobby the Bastard]

[Diggs]

[Ste]

tl;dr pensioners are living the life of Riley on the state pension of £221.20 per week and they should hurry up and die already so the country doesn't have to look after them?

Out with the old, in with the new.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Soylent Green is the final solution.
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[Polarbear]

[ThunderGuts]

I get unbelievably frustrated with this whole topic; I get it, disposable income/affordability of "life" is getting tighter for everyone, for various reasons, but fundamentally we've also been living through a bit of a "golden age" where we've simply never had it so good. People have gotten used to it and now things are changing, they're not happy. OK, understandable. I have the issue with the "things are getting more expensive, so my employer has to put my wages up". Hang on, since when has anyone's employer had a responsibility to match wages with anything other than minimum wage? It gets worse; any union-driven sector are like dominoes (and we've barely seen this begin yet); junior doctors with their nice approved rise . . . they account for a tiny proportion of the NHS. Other unions will be making noises next. Where does the money come from? A bigger black hole. How to fill it? "Reform"? Unlikely for as long as the government drives it as they only think as far ahead as the next election. Cut services, raise taxes, or both? Probably both, almost certainly the latter. Taxes go up, disposable income gets squeezed even more. More people rant at their employers. Those with unions will be "encouraged" to listen more carefully. You want increased wages? Right, well our product needs to go up in price. Sorry end consumer, things are getting more expensive. More squeeze.

It all filters across. The economy is one big web of organisations, both public and private sector, they're all interlinked. You can't improve wages but not expect something else to give to contribute towards that increase. Fundamentally, things are less affordable, mainly I think due to certain significant products and services (energy, raw materials and goods) that have been historically imported pretty cheaply but now due to a combination of supply, competition and scarcity are simply not as cheap. Yes, there is a lot of waste in both the public and private sector, the NHS is particularly dire and noticeable because of the size of it. Sure, drive massive efficiency in those organisations (which would cost short term and temporarily exacerbate the issues before things improve) and you'll free up some money, but that's not a quick fix and certainly not an easy one.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Train drivers got 5% for 22/23, 4.5% for 23/24 and 24/25

Doesnt seem unreasonable to me, and is broadly similar to what I got.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r8g244zggo
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[Nobby the Bastard]

I would imagine that most of the people moaning about the winter fuel payment would save more than they are losing if they stopped buying the Sun/Express/telegraph that is telling them what to be annoyed about next.
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[Diggs]

As I understand it, those affected by loss of the winter fuel payment are pensioners who don't qualify for any other benefit and aren't so wealthy that it doesn't matter. In other words it is the 'ordinary' person who worked for a living, paid a fair proportion of lifetime income in tax and NI, and ultimately paid more into the system than they took out.

It would make much more sense to take a few more quid as inheritance tax and stamp duty instead - most of it comes from rises in property value so its not like anybody has had to work hard to earn it, least of all people benefiting from granny's will when her multi-million pound detached house in London is sold.
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[Easy-X]

Inheritance tax = wealth transfer to the government instead of wealth transfer to the next generation. The government might dole some of it back out in social programs. Might.

Are you still happy to hand over your inheritance?
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[Polarbear]

Inheritence tax, no thanks.

My son has his own house, he's got a very high up job in games programming. Middle daughter has a housing association house and works as a manager for Beefeater. Not very good pay in my view but she gets by. Youngest daughter is a riding school manager in Richmond, teaches the kids of the rich and famous. Again not brilliantly paid but has accomodation with the job and in London thats worth somethng.

My point with this is when I snuff it (or more likely when wifie snuffs it) I want them to get as much as possible to give them that boost. It's been said on here that us boomers had it easy, maybe we did, maybe not, but I'd like all my money and assets (house etc.) to go to my kids to help them along and not the fcuking government so I'm completely against inheritance tax. Fucks sake, I paid tax on the money that bought my house, now they want another cut of what they've already cut before.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

So you are basically saying you and your wife have assets worth more than half a million but fuck everyone else.
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[Polarbear]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Half a million is about how much of the primary residence can be discounted for inheritance tax if it has passed from one partner to the other and then onto dependants.

When it is inherited by someones partner it's exempt. It's only when its passed onto dependants that inheritance tax is involved.

Boomers literally own half of everything there is to be owned.
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