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pintofanatic1
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 20 Nov 2024    Post subject: oil leak in wrog place Reply with quote

1977 Honda 550k . it fired up but noticed small oil leak around the alternator cover. so i pulled it off it was about half full of motor oil. my quetion is where did it come from and how do i fix it???????? HELP
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Nobby the Bastard
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 20 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you have an oil leak in the right place?
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 20 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, main suspect would be past the main bearing seal. Could be directly leaking between the crankcase halves.

Alternatively, leaking along one of the cover stud holes or given the age of the bike, if the bikes thrown a chain at some point damaging the crankcase which has then been imperfectly repaired.

Thing to do would be to pop the alternator off, thoroughly clean and degrease the area then leave it to sit for a bit and see if the leak becomes apparent. If nothings showing, reassemble and run it for a bit so the engine's hot then have another look.

If there's still nothing, remember it's possible it has been a very small leak going on for a very long time. It might be easier to ignore it.

How to fix it would depend on where it was coming from.

Be gentle with that alternator. 70's Honda inline 4 alternators are pretty effective but run on a mixture of voodo and black magic and are difficult to repair or replace.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 21 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Can you have an oil leak in the right place?

Of course, you can. How do you think chain oilers and two-stroke oil pumps work? Thinking
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 22 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not really a leak though. A leak is something escaping when it shouldnt.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 22 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I for one got the OPs meaning. He had oil leaking from a cover that shouldn't have oil under it.

The rocker cover on that bike would be the "right" place to get an oil leak, entirely understandable and probably easy to fix by fitting a new gasket.

The alternator cover is the "wrong" place because that bike has a dry alternator and so there shouldn't be oil under the cover to be leaking in the first place.

My enfield bullet also has an oil leak in the wrong place, it persistantly weeps oil from the left side of the head gasket. There are no oilways on the left side of the engine. I have elected to ignore it.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 24 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no crankshaft oil seal behind the starter idler gear on the Honda CB750 sohc so that the starter reduction gear is lubricated.So there would be expected to be oil in the alternator winding area.

As for the CB500/550 fours,the oil seal on the left of the crank is not very wide so some oil can be expected to seep into the alternator winding area.Of the five CB550s that I have owned over the years I did find some oil in that area,but it was never a problem.The reliability of the windings was never called in to question when each of the bikes ran for over 40,000 miles each.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 24 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:
The reliability of the windings was never called in to question when each of the bikes ran for over 40,000 miles each.


They are good and very effective. Just if you damage them, they don't make them any more and they are quite an unusual system (brushless field coil, hence the voodoo). Getting one repaired or replaced if you damaged it is not a case of simply ordering up a new one or fitting something off another bike.
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 27 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Fizzer Thou wrote:
The reliability of the windings was never called in to question when each of the bikes ran for over 40,000 miles each.


They are good and very effective. Just if you damage them, they don't make them any more and they are quite an unusual system (brushless field coil, hence the voodoo). Getting one repaired or replaced if you damaged it is not a case of simply ordering up a new one or fitting something off another bike.


But the field windings are replaceable.I know of two people who had their outer windings rewired successfully on their Honda CB400Fs (sohc).
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