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PostPosted: 14:57 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its white rassis nasty biggits dressin up in blackface goin round doin all that stabbin

you people......................


Ah, a Black Flag operation.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Black people kill/stab more than any other ethnicity.
Pakistani Muslims have abused white girls and families, brothers, cousins have all been involved showing its a cultural/religious thing that allows them all to be happy being abusers.


I would argue more cultural than religious. I wonder if they have abused more Pakistani girls than they have white girls, y'know, honour killings and all.

Thing about culture is the culture can be very small, a single family (Sawney Bean for example), a couple of streets, an estate, a few towns, a valley. To tar everyone with the same brush would be simplistic. When the Police have full knowledge and are allowing it they are complicit and I don't think the Police are all paid up Pakistani Muslims so that kind of kills the argument that its just Muslims involved. Its a whole culture of allowing it to happen that involves lots of people of many ethnicities and religions.

There used to be a club called the Paedophile information exchange or PIE (go on, read up on it, its on Wikipedia) in the UK in the 70's. Run by white men who wanted to abuse children. Doesn't mean that all white men are child abusers any more than being Muslim makes you a child abuser. Simplistic arguments just don't work.
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pakistani rape gangs is just the latest in a long line of paedos from a variety of religions and racial groups. Kiddie fiddlers fiddle with kids. It's really not from a single cultural thing.

Search for the Pit Cairn Island sexual abuse cases. It was rampant within their culture but they were all decendants from the English bounty crew who mutineed.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

And in the Georgian period there were child brothels and we sent children up chimneys. In the 60's it was illegal for males to shag each other, etc. etc. We have moved on so quoting what happened many years ago doesn't cut the mustard.

Of course there are pedo's of all creed and colour but the big thing with the Pakistani grooming gangs is other family members quite happily joined in the abuse. If I told my brother I had a couple of paki girls that he could have his way with, he'd be on the phone to the police in seconds. He wouldn't say lets go, and we'll tell your cousin, he'll join in.

All you are doing here is trying to dilute the racial aspect what has been happening both with the grooming gangs and with knife crime. It isn't so bad because Pitcairn islanders did it or there was a pedo ring of white people in the 60's. Didn't you forget to mention Savile or Gary Glitter? Teddy boys used cutthroat razors back in the 70's, greasers used bike chains, Skinheads used knives and they were white. All true but that was
40/50 years ago and does not mitigate the crimes being committed by racial groups nowadays.

What is frightening is that rational people are still trying to find ways to deflect from addressing the real reasons why these crimes are happening, being it culture, religion or whatever else. Mustn't upset the ethnic minorities. It's racist.

Have we not learnt from the last inquiry? - Girls as young as 11 had been raped. Those reports a decade ago identified a failure to confront Pakistani heritage gangs and a “widespread perception” that they should “‘downplay’ the ethnic dimensions” for fear of being seen to be racist.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real reason is that paedos are paedos. It doesn't matter which culture thy are from, it's just as aborrant if it's a pakistani as if it were a catholic priest.

The problem wasnt that Pakistani culture is endemically paedophilic, its that the problem in some isolated cases was downplayed. You insist it's a cultural thing. Its not. Pakistani culturre is not endemically paedophilic.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Pakistani culturre is not endemically paedophilic.


Correct. They're more into bestiality back in the Old Country but livestock is in short supply in the cities. They just made what they considered to be the closest substitution.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
The real reason is that paedos are paedos. It doesn't matter which culture thy are from, it's just as aborrant if it's a pakistani as if it were a catholic priest.

The problem wasnt that Pakistani culture is endemically paedophilic, its that the problem in some isolated cases was downplayed. You insist it's a cultural thing. Its not. Pakistani culturre is not endemically paedophilic.


Then how come whole families (male members of course) were involved. It wasn't just one, it was many. For that to happen it must be culturally or religiously (in a religious society) acceptable.

And you say 'some isolated cases' Really? Not cultural? All the same heritage.

Rotherham
Rochdale
Bradford
Derbyshire
Huddersfield
Oxford
Telford
Bristol

https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gangs-scandal-timeline-what-happened-what-inquiries-there-were-and-how-starmer-was-involved-after-elon-musks-accusations-13285021
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

It’s a culture where boys are taught they’re most important and girls are made to conceal themselves because other boys can’t control their sexual urges. Take those “little princes”, put them among Western women and they think they’re entitled to take advantage. It is a cultural thing.

Similarly the knife crime and “lone wolf” attacks are disproportionately committed by minorities. To ignore that is madness and it will only get worse. Still, mustn’t upset anybody.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Then how come whole families (male members of course) were involved. It wasn't just one, it was many. For that to happen it must be culturally or religiously (in a religious society) acceptable.


Whole families were involved because that was how they were brought up, that equals culture. Remember that bit above where I said culture can be a single family?
As I also previously said, the Police who refused to intervene weren't Pakistani Muslim, the social workers who ignored it weren't Pakistani Muslim. There were lots and lots of white people who knew it was going on and ignored it, they were complicit.
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were complicit not because they thought it was right but because they were afraid of being accused of racism. That just emphasises how rancid the “respect for other cultures” philosophy has become. Still, mustn’t upset anybody.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

“lone wolf” attacks are disproportionately committed by minorities.


To say that on the day that 10 people are shot dead by a white native swede is somewhat ironic.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

But not incorrect. Well done for your opportunism though.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
They were complicit not because they thought it was right but because they were afraid of being accused of racism. That just emphasises how rancid the “respect for other cultures” philosophy has become. Still, mustn’t upset anybody.


I'd rather be accused of being a racist than allowing paedophiles to abuse children. They were complicit.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
They were complicit not because they thought it was right but because they were afraid of being accused of racism. That just emphasises how rancid the “respect for other cultures” philosophy has become. Still, mustn’t upset anybody.


I'd rather be accused of being a racist than allowing paedophiles to abuse children. They were complicit.

Your choice, but you weren’t in a position to be judged, unlike the professionals you mentioned. I don’t defend their choices but they chose differently because to do otherwise would impact their livelihoods, such was (is?) the culture.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were just following orders then?
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you say so. What’s your point?
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
If you say so. What’s your point?


Probably that all it takes for evil to flourish is for good people to look the other way or some such.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
They were complicit not because they thought it was right but because they were afraid of being accused of racism. That just emphasises how rancid the “respect for other cultures” philosophy has become. Still, mustn’t upset anybody.


I'd rather be accused of being a racist than allowing paedophiles to abuse children. They were complicit.


I refer you to what the inquiry said and what I posted earlier.

Those reports a decade ago identified a failure to confront Pakistani heritage gangs and a “widespread perception” that they should “‘downplay’ the ethnic dimensions” for fear of being seen to be racist.


Two things from this.....
1. We need a proper inquiry with the powers to prosecute people who failed these girls.
2. We, as in society needs to stop throwing the racist tag at everything to try and shut down any any people who dare to criticize ethnic minorities. You only have to look at how Nobby throws racist at everyone who has any difference of his opinion on minorities to see how toxic it has become and how frightened some people would be of being labeled a racist and losing their jobs.

If people who did nothing are complicit then we need to find and prosecute them. I expect, however, there are a lot of powerful people high up in various agencies that don't want the cage rattled too much because it will implicate them. How high, well, I doubt that will ever emerge although I wonder if a certain head of the CPS is shitting himself over this.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
If you say so. What’s your point?


Probably that all it takes for evil to flourish is for good people to look the other way or some such.

So you need to be careful that in giving the, “Yeah but, no but…” argument you’re not looking the other way. I think you are.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
So you need to be careful that in giving the, “Yeah but, no but…” argument you’re not looking the other way. I think you are.


I think you're confusing me with someone else.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

You seem to be saying that the original crimes are due to individual Pakistani families rather than a wider culture, but white people in authority tried to ignore the situation for fear of being unaccepting of multi-culturalism so the crime is primarily their fault. I hope that’s not what you meant.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
You seem to be saying that the original crimes are due to individual Pakistani families rather than a wider culture, but white people in authority tried to ignore the situation for fear of being unaccepting of multi-culturalism so the crime is primarily their fault. I hope that’s not what you meant.


That's exactly what I said, I didn't blame a race I blamed a culture and I blamed the people who were paid to protect children for not doing their jobs. More than that, I blame all of them for not being decent human beings.

What I didn't do was yeah but no but. I was very very clear in what I said, I make no excuses for anyone. All of the people involved were scum.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 05 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
You seem to be saying that the original crimes are due to individual Pakistani families rather than a wider culture, but white people in authority tried to ignore the situation for fear of being unaccepting of multi-culturalism so the crime is primarily their fault. I hope that’s not what you meant.


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Of course there are pedo's of all creed and colour but the big thing with the Pakistani grooming gangs is other family members quite happily joined in the abuse.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 06 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
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Then how come whole families (male members of course) were involved. It wasn't just one, it was many. For that to happen it must be culturally or religiously (in a religious society) acceptable.


Whole families were involved because that was how they were brought up, that equals culture. Remember that bit above where I said culture can be a single family?
As I also previously said, the Police who refused to intervene weren't Pakistani Muslim, the social workers who ignored it weren't Pakistani Muslim. There were lots and lots of white people who knew it was going on and ignored it, they were complicit.


I've re read your answer above and to be honest it annoys me intensely.

You are trying to transfer the blame to white workers who were absolutely terrified about losing their jobs because of being racist. At that time even being associated with racism was to be ostricised. Remember that bloke who paid for an aeroplane to fly a banner across a football pitch at the height of BLM and taking the knee for black people? The banner said 'White lives matter'. He was vilified. lost his job and I doubt ever got employed again.To be labelled as a racist then even more than now basically made you unemployable.

The people who should be vilified were the people who committed the crimes and the people who made such a culture that everyone was so shit scared of being labelled a racist that they kept quiet. We vilify groups and organisations that shut down whistle blowers but here you are lambasting the people for not doing the right thing but are quite happy to say nothing about the culture that forced them into that situation.

The term racist is used to shut people up. The term Islamophobia is used to shut people up. It was a direct cause of the abuse. In the initial inquiry it was reported that the perpetrators accused people of racism when they were confronted and people backed off.

But even now people are trying to make excuses for what happened and to transfer the blame to others. I leave you to decide who those people are.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 06 Feb 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

tl;dr call everyone racist, put the worst ones in prison.

That'll work! Until it doesn't...

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