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If you look here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/land-use-in-england-2022/land-use-statistics-england-2022
| Quote: | 1. Main points
As at April 2022:
8.7% of land in England is of developed use, with 91.1% of non-developed use and the remaining 0.2% being vacant.
The top 3 land use groups were ‘Agriculture’ (63.1%), ‘Forestry, open land and water’ (20.1%), and ‘Residential gardens’ (4.9%).
6.8% of land within the Green Belt is of developed use.
6.1% of land within Flood Zone 3 is of developed use (not accounting for flood defences).
5.0% of land within areas at high to medium risk of flooding from rivers and the sea is of developed use (after accounting for flood defences). |
Bear in mind politicians are selected for compliance and not intelligence and most won't even get past the first line. "Pah! This country isn't overpopulated, over 90% of the land isn't even used!!!"
Maybe they get to the second line and now the attacks on farmers make more sense. Then there's "how the countryside is racist" along with the occasional Guardian article on how gardening and allotments hasten Climate Change.
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I suppose I should say what my beliefs are in regards to immigration.
I believe we need to stop the illegal immigration, no ifs, no buts, no maybes, it needs stopping.
We should have used the Dublin Regulations a long time ago and the only possible reason we didn't was for nicey nicey politics.
We need immigration, economic growth requires it but we need to be picky on who we allow to enter the country, they must be a net gain for the country.
We need the government to reinvest in the countries industries, something we are free to do after Brexit.
I'd be looking at arms length control i.e its run as a business. Reduce outside investment in services and utilities.
We need to invest in apprenticeships for those that want them and train to international standards not just UK standards. Our future workers working all over the world would bring back money to the UK.
Invest in social housing. After 8-10 years its paid for and becomes massively profitable keeping the money available within local governments for again, reinvestment. It also then pays for itself in the cases of housing benefit claimants, its not a loss, it justs shift money from one balance sheet to another.
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| Posted: 18:29 - 17 May 2025 Post subject: |
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| sickpup wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | So every immigrant wants to live in London/Manchester/Luton/Rochdale etc. etc. but not the valleys. Exactly, every immigrant is taking homes in the most desirable places So those 500,000 a year do make a difference to home availability in those areas. |
Yes it does make a difference in relatively small restricted areas but its effect over the whole country is minimal. I did kind of point this out in my over large post.
Along with the migrants you should also include youth moving to areas within reach of where they think there educational, entertainment and employment opportunities, should we stop these people moving?
Incidentally, you said your daughter had moved to Australia. Are you aware of the housing and healthcare crisis going on in Australia at the moment? Its actually worse over there than it is here.
Australia has a higher amount of immigrants to the UK iirc so how do you feel about your daughter moving to another country and being part of the cause of the same problems you complain about in your own country?
So will you condemn your daughter for doing that which you complain about?
This is of course an unfair question, you shouldn't condemn your daughter and I wish her nothing but the best in her new life but just like your daughter we have immigrants here that come over to be Dr's, Nurses whatever, people useful to our society and yet you are condemning them. |
It is the ridiculous numbers that I'm complaining about. 500,000 plus every year. And it's a ponzi scheme as well. The more you let in, the more you need to continue the growth, or to staff the NHS because there are 15 million more immigrants since the 90's now using it. More needed to look after those 15 million as well when they get to old age. More teachers and schools and translators because so many ethnic minority kids can't speak or write reasonable English because it isn't used in their households.
But that isn't just it. There is more to immigration than just numbers. Social cohesion is pretty well ignored and if anyone says anything - they must be racist so they get shut down. My daughter, in Australia, after a few months will have picked up the accent and will not be discernible from any other aussie with pretty well the same culture (Ausiies were Brits at one time of course). That isn't the same for the majority who come here be it Muslim, Indian or African. Completely different culturally yet we are expected, nay, instructed to accept them when they do nothing to integrate with the ethnic British population.
Look at certain towns. Look at certain London districts.you wouldn't know you were in Britain when you enter some. That, to me, is just incredibly wrong on so many fronts.
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That wasn't even what I was asking or implying  You read it as: "We must have immigration because... line go up!" and yes, I agree, line doesn't go up. But what I'm asking is: why must line go up? Why are we aiming for infinite economic growth as if that's the only metric that matters?
Setting aside immigration for a moment, one of the reasons line not go up is people are starting to give up in the UK. Maybe not as severe as a long walk off a short pier but certainly not striving to do their best. Why would you? No good deed goes unpunished:
https://i.imgur.com/4aJPNNl.png
Here's a little graph of median annual salaries in the UK I knocked up based on government and ONS estimates. As you can see, while salaries have roughly increased by inflationary rates (having been decoupled from productivity rates in the 1970s) the higher rate hasn't been linked to inflation for a while. Yes, we get a bit back from the tax allowance but we're now at the point were the median income is tickling the 40% tax band.
I think we're going to see a lot of GenX and older Millennials "semi-retire" to doing 3 days a week to keep their income below or as close to the 40% band once the mortgage is paid off.
Why work harder just to have it taken away?
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No worries. I think the lie "the NHS will die without immigration" is pretty dead by now, for normal people anyway
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| Polarbear wrote: | It is the ridiculous numbers that I'm complaining about. 500,000 plus every year. |
that number is misleading. That number includes students and visa'd staff the majority of whom leave but we don't subtract the amount of leavers.
| Polarbear wrote: | And it's a ponzi scheme as well. |
As is the whole worlds economy
| Polarbear wrote: | But that isn't just it. There is more to immigration than just numbers. Social cohesion is pretty well ignored and if anyone says anything - they must be racist so they get shut down. |
I feel you are going to dig yourself a hole here....
| Polarbear wrote: | My daughter, in Australia, after a few months will have picked up the accent and will not be discernible from any other aussie with pretty well the same culture (Ausiies were Brits at one time of course). |
Possible but unlikely. My Sister has been over there living in NSW and when she meets new people they can tell she is English whereas to me she sounds like an Aussie.
You've also failed to address your daughters contribution to the failing healthcare in Australia, something you complain about over here.
| Polarbear wrote: | That isn't the same for the majority who come here be it Muslim, Indian or African. Completely different culturally yet we are expected, nay, instructed to accept them when they do nothing to integrate with the ethnic British population. |
And this is where the racism comes in, they're not the same therefore they are bad.
| Polarbear wrote: | Look at certain towns. Look at certain London districts.you wouldn't know you were in Britain when you enter some. That, to me, is just incredibly wrong on so many fronts. |
That is ill-informed rubbish and you know it. |
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| Easy-X wrote: | So we're agreed then: Brexit was a thing people had and still have mixed feelings about but it's done now so no use crying about it - it's the past. Good? Great! Glad that's sorted.
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Its funny how Brexit is the only thing the "winners" never want to talk about winning and insist everyone just shut up and forget about it. 
Its almost like its achieved absolutely nothing, was delivered upon by liars, grifters and charlatans, has made almost everything worse. And almost everybody can see that, except for the most die hard of die hard "I dont care if we're worse off now, keep the foriengers out!" brigade who still insist there is a good Brexit, it just goes to a different school.
And now the same head bangers who brought us Brexit are murmuring about wanting us out of the ECHR as if they havent done enough damage already. Thats the problem with populist parties like Reform, and arguably the current state of the Conservatives, who dont have anything to offer beyond breaking things, they have no real plan or idea of what to do beyond breaking things, and there will always be just one more thing they need to break to bring you to the promised land of sunlit uplands and unicorns. We could bring net migration down to 0 and that still wouldnt be enough, then theyd be saying we need to start deporting anyone who isnt at least 5 generations "native", then if you cant trace your family back to the Domesday book perhaps. |
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The Left were praying for a pale, stale and male Norf F.C. supporter and the Right for Alan Snackbar. Both probably disappointed
Ukraine is still Current Thing™ and rent boys* are usually a Tory thing. Must be very confusing for the MSM.
*And furries, don't forget the furries!
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