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PostPosted: 15:52 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Wrongful Arrest Reply with quote

Imagine this scenario:

Lets just say for example the Police came to your house, humiliated you in front of your neighbours, arrested you on a spurious alleged Public Order offence by a dumb shit power-mad copper, banged you up for 24 hours and didn't even question you for 17 hours, then released you without charge on unconditional bail and told you to come back to the station 3 months later, what would you do?

1) Would you sue the pants off them for wrongful arrest and seek compensation/damages if they couldn't charge you with anything?

2) Would you let them off, forget about it, and let them get away with what they did to you?
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the situation is as I imagine it was and I was in your shoes, I would probably take a long hard think about whether I was being a bit of a twat and get on with life, trying to be a bit less of a twat.
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't you already ask this:

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=337223

Or is it a new incident?
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want us to agree with that course of action, but the police have vast legal resources, look after their own and tend to get away with stuff like this. If you were wrongly accused and ended up with a custodial sentence I might be saying a different thing, but you did not. Chalk it up to experience. I know the red mist is there, and the blood is up etc, but honestly? it's not worth it. Any payout you get will probably just go to legal fees, and that is unlikely as it is, and it may well just put you on the police radar for future interactions.

Just forget about it. I know it's easy to type but from my standpoint here it's the right thing to do.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Didn't you already ask this:

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=337223

Or is it a new incident?


I apologise if I've already started a topic about this and forgot but it will most definitely be about the same situation as I've only had 1 encounter with the plod in the past 30 years and the situation is ongoing/not resolved yet. Just want genuine opinions that's all...
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

go all Charles Bronson on their arses.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does your solicitor say about it?
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
What does your solicitor say about it?


Not asked yet but will find out in a few weeks...
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you need to wait a few weeks?
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Why do you need to wait a few weeks?


Because my bail ends mid October. Do you understand what bail is?
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said last time. You're still on bail, they could yet charge you. At which point you'd have to be found not guilty for it to be wrongful arrest.

I'd bet folding money they'll get you back in on the 3 month date and offer you a choice of either accepting a formal caution and fixed penalty or going to court. They aren't going to get you into the police station and say "We were wrong, sorry for the inconvenience." because no copper ever admits to being wrong, they double down.

So then you'd have to go to court and be found not guilty in order to make any moves towards wrongful arrest. Want to bet on how that'll go? Your word against a dumb shit power-mad coppers version of events? (I presume you're in England where there's no such word a corroboration).

Of course, what they are actually hoping is that you don't turn up to the bail appointment, at which point they don't even need to worry about whatever the original offence was. They just put out a warrant for your arrest, bang you up for breaking the conditions of your bail and have you in front of the beak the next morning.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I understand what bail is.

Why are you not seeking advice from solicitors? There's no advantage in putting it off until the last minute.

Have you found a solicitor yet to represent you on the charges that you're on bail for?
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 14 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Yes I understand what bail is.

Why are you not seeking advice from solicitors? There's no advantage in putting it off until the last minute.

Have you found a solicitor yet to represent you on the charges that you're on bail for?


This. Because when you go to your bail appointment, they'll try to goad you into admitting something, or even taking a swing at them. You're clearly upset and risk getting angry and taking the bait.
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PostPosted: 01:51 - 15 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
As I said last time. You're still on bail, they could yet charge you. At which point you'd have to be found not guilty for it to be wrongful arrest.

I'd bet folding money they'll get you back in on the 3 month date and offer you a choice of either accepting a formal caution and fixed penalty or going to court. They aren't going to get you into the police station and say "We were wrong, sorry for the inconvenience." because no copper ever admits to being wrong, they double down.

So then you'd have to go to court and be found not guilty in order to make any moves towards wrongful arrest. Want to bet on how that'll go? Your word against a dumb shit power-mad coppers version of events? (I presume you're in England where there's no such word a corroboration).

Of course, what they are actually hoping is that you don't turn up to the bail appointment, at which point they don't even need to worry about whatever the original offence was. They just put out a warrant for your arrest, bang you up for breaking the conditions of your bail and have you in front of the beak the next morning.


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PostPosted: 01:52 - 15 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Ste wrote:
Yes I understand what bail is.

Why are you not seeking advice from solicitors? There's no advantage in putting it off until the last minute.

Have you found a solicitor yet to represent you on the charges that you're on bail for?


This. Because when you go to your bail appointment, they'll try to goad you into admitting something, or even taking a swing at them. You're clearly upset and risk getting angry and taking the bait.


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PostPosted: 12:08 - 15 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Have you found a solicitor yet to represent you on the charges that you're on bail for?

Well?
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 15 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Ste wrote:
Have you found a solicitor yet to represent you on the charges that you're on bail for?

Well?


Yes, got one, but not discussed this yet.
BTW and PS I haven't been charged with anything yet.
Alleged Public Order offence, only, with no proof!
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 15 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm intrigued, how did you choose a solicitor to represent you without discussing the case with them?
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 15 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without going into too much detail, can you give us some particulars about the alleged incident?
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 15 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
I'm intrigued, how did you choose a solicitor to represent you without discussing the case with them?


If you ever get arrested you will be offered legal aid.
It's "that" solicitor that has chosen to represent me and they know the ins and outs of my case...
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 15 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the duty solicitor and their job is to get you released from custody. They didn't choose you and you didn't choose them.

It might be by sheer chance that whoever happened to be the duty solicitor at the time you were in custody already has expertise in whatever specific area of law it is that led up to your arrest or it might be that there are other solicitors who are better suited to your case.

Legal aid for criminal cases is means tested other than when someone is at a police station under arrest.

It's entirely your choice whether or not you take an active interest in choosing which solicitor is fighting your corner. If you're wanting to explore the possibilities of going down the road of accusing the police of wrongful arrest then that's certainly something which could influence your choice of who represents you.

tl;dr get legal advice from the best criminal defence solicitor you can find. It's your future so do as you will with it. Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 15 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste you sound like an experienced criminal Very Happy
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 17 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
That's the duty solicitor and their job is to get you released from custody. They didn't choose you and you didn't choose them.

It might be by sheer chance that whoever happened to be the duty solicitor at the time you were in custody already has expertise in whatever specific area of law it is that led up to your arrest or it might be that there are other solicitors who are better suited to your case.

Legal aid for criminal cases is means tested other than when someone is at a police station under arrest.

It's entirely your choice whether or not you take an active interest in choosing which solicitor is fighting your corner. If you're wanting to explore the possibilities of going down the road of accusing the police of wrongful arrest then that's certainly something which could influence your choice of who represents you.

tl;dr get legal advice from the best criminal defence solicitor you can find. It's your future so do as you will with it. Laughing


Helpful, Thanks.
Like I said though I haven't been arrested for over 30 years so I took the option to see the duty solicitor as I was confused about what to do for the best and I'm glad I did because if she hadn't advised me to say "no comment" to everything I probably would have answered all the sneaky coppers misleading questions and made the situation worse for myself.

It was about a week after being released on bail that the same solicitor firm sent me a letter saying who is handling my case and that they will contact the police before the bail appointment to find out what action if any they intend to take. At that stage I will decide what I want to do next but I'm reluctant to accept any charges or a caution/fine unless advised to do so by the solicitor. I certainly don't want to get suckered in to a custodial sentence of any length!
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 17 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
Without going into too much detail, can you give us some particulars about the alleged incident?


Long story short.
Strange car came on to my residents only car park and parked in a very weird way.

We've had issues in the past with anti social behaviour (kids in cars smoking weed and sucking gas cans) and the night before this incident I had to chase some kids off who were walking round my car and looking in through the windows being dodgy.

I got suspicious about the strange car so went out to ask them what they were doing on a private car park but they wouldn't open the window or speak to me so I got a bit irate and raised my voice.

The driver of the car appeared out of nowhere and came towards me filming me on his phone and telling me to go away and stop being ?aggressive? but I live here, he doesn't, so I pointed a finger at him and said "who the fook are you".

Instantly he dropped his phone and grabbed me around the neck/upper chest area and walked me backwards until I fell on the floor.

I called the police and reported my assault but when they came they said they'd seen the footage and I was the aggressor for approaching the strange car and raising my voice so I got locked up?!?!?


All I was doing was neighbourhood watch and making sure my car didn't get broken in to !

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PostPosted: 15:15 - 17 Aug 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF68 wrote:
It was about a week after being released on bail that the same solicitor firm sent me a letter saying who is handling my case and that they will contact the police before the bail appointment to find out what action if any they intend to take. At that stage I will decide what I want to do next

Right now you've got a couple of months to find the best legal representation possible. If you wait until a few days before answering bail then you'll have next to no time to find the best solicitors to represent you and they won't have the time necessary to help you to the best of their abilities which is ultimately what you need them to do.

Do it now. Stop putting it off.

FF68 wrote:
I'm reluctant to accept any charges or a caution/fine unless advised to do so by the solicitor. I certainly don't want to get suckered in to a custodial sentence of any length!

You don't get to choose whether or not to accept any charges, they tell you that you're being charged and that would mean you're being prosecuted and will be taken to court.

We've no idea what section public order offence you were arrested for or if there were any aggravating factors but as you're mentioning the words "custodial sentence" that suggests that it could be quite serious. That means it's all the more important that you seek the best legal representation as soon as humanly possibly so that you receive expert advice and guidance.

Why do you not want to deal with it proactively? Brick Wall Time is on your side so make full use of it.
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