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MechTech
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 15 Apr 2005    Post subject: "MCN FOR NUMBER TEN" MCN bike paper has political Reply with quote

If you don't read MotorCycle News you may not have heard that they have registered their own political party the "MCN Party" and the editor is standing in the general election!

One of the major parties has already got wind of this and are so worried that it might split their chance of getting elected they asked MCN not to stand and offered to adopt their policies, they were told "See you on election night!"

The MCN Manifesto:

We will ensure the protection of motorbikes and other vulnerable roadusers.

We will improve bike safety with changes to the bike and car tests.

We will allow bikes to use bus lanes.

We will ensure speed cameras are only used to save lives and not to make money.

We will encourage the use of motorcycles as a solution to congestion.

We will make Britain's bike industry great again.

If you think there manifesto has no chance of becoming realty here's what the Monster Raving Looney Party has suggested in the past and these are all law now, although of course, they did not make them law.

Votes for 18 year olds.

Legalise commercial radio.

Compulsory seatbelts for drivers.

Ban annoying mobile phone usage (so that's when driving now)

Free electric wheelchairs for the disabled.

All third world debt will be cancelled (not yet law but it's very close)


So if your are as sick of the other parties that will be standing for election as I am don't forget you will have this option and they should be on the ballot paper on election day.

"MCN FOR NUMBER TEN"

Can you imagine if they WON!!! :>))))
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 15 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erm... No. Great for some of their policies but some of them is just a no no for me.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 15 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a giggle to me lol
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 15 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

R4nger wrote:
Erm... No. Great for some of their policies but some of them is just a no no for me.


What's not to like? Any party that is prepared to stand up for bikers rights and treat us as human beings and not some kind of social menace as many politicians/police forces/AA do, and recognise the good aspects of bikes such as reducing congesition and freeing up the roads by opening bus lanes to bikes has surely got to be good!

Or have i missed something! Confused
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 15 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

MechTech wrote:
Or have i missed something! Confused


Biking for me isn't the be all and end all unfortunately. Not being taxed to hell and back and still being asked to pay for everything extra and not being overcharged for everything would be nice.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 15 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I'm 19 and was mostly ignoring the elections, but how do I go about voting for MCN? Laughing Like that advert says, don't vote, don't complain. So it's about time "I did politics" and earned my right to complain.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 15 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rick, Come voting time, the MCN party should be on the ballot paper at your local voting station, these are usually a village hall or community centre.
If you are registered to vote you will get a card posted to you which you take along to the voting station this identifies you (to stop people voting more than once and also to stop others voting for you) you will be given a ballot paper and you just put a cross next to who you want to vote for and put it in a sealed box.

As you so rightly say "Don't vote, Don't complain.
Hope it helps, Mike.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 15 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

MechTech wrote:
Don't vote, Don't complain.


What a pile of sh1te! I pay taxes so that gives me the right to bitch about things. When I don't have to pay tax I'll stop moaning.

Why should I vote when nobody is worth voting for? Lying c*nts the lot of them.

I can't really see MCN running the country can you? A. They wouldn't know what to do and B. Non readers and cage drivers won't vote for them so they have no chance of getting in.

Voting MCN is wasting your vote too. So if you vote MCN you can't complain either by your logic.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 15 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a serious note what the hell do MCN know about managing our army.

If we come under attack are they gonna enlist us to all rev our bikes at the enemy? Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 15 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

woo wrote:
On a serious note what the hell do MCN know about managing our army.

If we come under attack are they gonna enlist us to all rev our bikes at the enemy? Laughing


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PostPosted: 21:36 - 15 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

surely u can only vote 4 mcn when there is a mcn candidate standing in your area??????
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PostPosted: 02:36 - 16 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously MCN wont get enough votes to get into number 10, but all the votes they get mean that they will get seats in the parliment. This in turn means they can put forward the views of us bikers and try to get new laws passed in our favour.

I for one will vote for them cos as i see it they can't do any worse then any other bloody party in power!

They all f**k it up eventually.
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PostPosted: 02:39 - 16 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

leicester_city21 wrote:
surely u can only vote 4 mcn when there is a mcn candidate standing in your area??????


A salient point. Which constituencies are MCN standing in? It seems by and large to be the same sort of idea as the Monster Raving Loonies to me; betting whether they get enough votes to get their deposit back. I doubt there'd be enough bikers in any one constituency to return a majority for any candidate.
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 16 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

One in ten elligble males in the UK has a bike licence some statistics told me.

If all of them voted, then that could well win it Smile.

However it's obviously not about winning, it's about making a point.


I would be tempted to try and 'stand' for them in the Reading area if I didn't quite dislike them and have far too much other stuff to do Smile.

If we don't get any 'comedy options' here this time, I'd quite like to stand for the Raving Loony party next time Smile.
(I'm includiing all the 'environmental' parties as well as the 'natural law' party in that.)
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 18 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a link to the MCN site, search the forum for "MCN Party" for more details.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/nav?page=motorcyclenews.messageboard.forum.thread&threadID=30172
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 18 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

flip wrote:
MechTech wrote:
Don't vote, Don't complain.


What a pile of sh1te! I pay taxes so that gives me the right to bitch about things. When I don't have to pay tax I'll stop moaning.

Why should I vote when nobody is worth voting for? Lying c*nts the lot of them.

I can't really see MCN running the country can you? A. They wouldn't know what to do and B. Non readers and cage drivers won't vote for them so they have no chance of getting in.

Voting MCN is wasting your vote too. So if you vote MCN you can't complain either by your logic.


You need to vote to pick one of those c*nts to decide where your taxes go. You can't say where they will go on your own, so you need to stand behind whichever party would make the same decisions as you. Sitting back just means your choices are less likely to be fulfilled.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 18 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Just a way to drum up a bit of publicity.

How many copies do they sell a week? Probably not enough to get 4 seats at the very best (ie, everyone voted for them, and they were all located in a concentrated area). Reality is that they will loose their deposit.

Even worse, seems my local Lib Dem candidate is Barry Stamp, whose main trick seems to be to shout loudly about anything local on the roads, and has been getting local busy bodies speed guns.

All the best

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PostPosted: 22:31 - 18 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
has been getting local busy bodies speed guns.


The amusing thing is that he's just wasting his time other than scaring riders and drivers. Speed gun readings have no relevance if not carried out by a police person so far as I know. Evidence to back up their opinion and all that.

What's been bothering me most about the roads recently is not the speed cameras (fixed and mobile) but the absurdity of some of the very recent road design. Some of the junctions makes very little sense and to drive as the lane markings show is often completely counter-intuitive.

I thought highway engineers drive? Confused
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 18 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't matter who you vote for...

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PostPosted: 00:11 - 19 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

We would have a better chance if they stood in the Scottish elections. English politics use the FPTP or First Past The Post system to elect candidates for parliment, so whoever gets the most amount of votes in their constituancy wins. However, in Scotland parliment seats are allocated using the Proportional Member System, this works when all votes are taken into account, and roughly the overall percentage of votes a certain party gets is reflected in the percentage of seats they hold. So in other words we have a better chance in the Scottish parliment rather than General elections. Good idea tho Thumbs Up . Sorry, politics student Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 01:30 - 19 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been plenty of people who have no prior experience of running a country that have been elected - countless chaps (and chapesses) who have got in under so called protest votes. People in an area so pissed off at a LOCAL problem they avoid national parties and go with an independant campaigning solely on a single issue.

Like aikman said though - if there was a form of proportional representation and every biker voted we would surely get "List" MPs elected.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 19 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course they have no chance of winning and they would not have a clue about running the country they are just trying to highlight the fact that bikers have the ability to effect the outcome if we all voted.
MCN claim that one of the major parties (guessing the Lib Dems) have asked them not to stand and have said they will adopt the policies that MCN announced if they don't.

It can only be for the good regardless of which party wins that they are biker friendly, nothing gets done unless the goverment, councils make/change the laws, helplines to report diesel spills, pot holes etc, have only come about because bike organisations and campaigns by the biking press have made them aware of the issues.

Making machine type approval and power restrictions law in this country has been defeated in the past but, it will only take one or two politicians to start shouting about it again especially after a few horror stories in the national press and on TV about bikers riding at very high speed and having a total disregard for anyone else.

Having a goverment that is biker friendly might help to prevent these things becoming law in the future, or maybe you don't care if you can't change your bike from standard in any way even down to fitting different tyres without getting engineers certificates for every single part or paying high prices for custom parts that have already been approved, or if you make your own parts you will have to pay to have them approved and certified, it makes building custom bikes of any type very expensive.

Highlighting the good aspects and benifits of biking is the responsibility of all bikers and the biking press, it only takes a few stories in the national press about "Mad, Bad Bikers" to destroy all the good work done and it only takes the likes of "The Sun" to launch one of it's "Kill the bikers" campaigns to make life very difficult for us.

We need to remember that dogs shitting on the pavement have more priority than bikers to your average politician!
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 19 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where I live you could put up a pig in a blue rosette, call it conservative and it would win every time.

This MCN thing is a one trick pony, OK you might be able to get your view known but 50,000 bikers demonstrating in Central London would get you message home far better.

Blair even tried to get the motorcycle vote before he was elected the first time, as you all know it really helped us:
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 19 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

tintin wrote:
Where I live you could put up a pig in a blue rosette, call it conservative and it would win every time.


Similarly where I live, just put a red rosette on it and call it Labour. Neutral Without PR, there won't be any chance of the voting system being fair and actually representing every one who wants their vote.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/past_elections/html/default.stm

Looking at past elections, in the 1983 General Election, Labour got 27.6% of the vote, the Liberal Democrats 25.4%. Yet, Labour received 209 seats, with the Liberals receiving 23! Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 19 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This MCN thing is a one trick pony, OK you might be able to get your view known but 50,000 bikers demonstrating in Central London would get you message home far better.


I used to be a Motorcycle Action Group rep years ago and as a result of mass demos and meeting and talking with MP's the likes of machine type approval did not become law, just how effective demos are is debatable (but they were a lot of fun!) and i don't know if such large demos could be held these days without the police trying to stop it and cause mayhem as they have with some demos a while ago.

In Cornwall the local councils regularly meet with bikers and bike associations, if you get them on your side they might help if/when the goverment propose some new antibike legislation.
https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/Transport/twowheelstrat/default.htm

We got on ok with the police years ago as demos as big as the ones we held (approx 10,000 bikes in London) had to be planned in advance with them but, they still harrassed people as they rode from all over the coutry to the mass meeting point of a demo by stopping us every couple of miles and doing vehicle/docs checks they also photographed and filmed us for future reference!

Personally i was fined six times for riding without a helmet and it used to be just a £25 fine, these days you would probably loose your licence, some members even went to jail for refusing to pay their fines!

On the way to a demo somewhere can't remember which one, are you in there somewhere?




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P.S. alliamc i did not say "Don't vote Don't complain" i quoted it from RickHolts post which was taken from an advertising campaign, and shit or know it's true, if you don't vote for a party vote against them then you can moan if they fuckup!
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