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Scooby
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 26 Nov 2002    Post subject: Respraying Reply with quote

I am seeking the help of anyone that has resprayed their own bike (TiN Very Happy)

If I was to get a Bandit6, I would probably want a paintjob doing on it in a metallic colour, and I just wondered if I would be able to do this myself. What do I have to do regarding preparing the surface, etc and how exactly to do it.

I just don't want to do it and it looking crap, especially with it being metallic I get the impression it's gonna be really difficult to do, but on the same note I don't really want to fork out hundreds for a company or a sprayer to do it for me.

Also, if I wanted something like 'Suzuki' spraying on the side of the tank, would I just make a template and do it, or would it be best to get a sticker and put that on before I laquer the whole thing?

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PostPosted: 18:28 - 26 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main thing is preperation - make sure the surface is sanded well and there is no grease at all. (Usually a wipe with a bit of thinners is the best idea)

Primer, sand with 800 grit, metallic first coat, second coat, laquer once, then sand with 1500 grit - gently! If you go through to the metallic layer it'll cause problems with the metal flakes not being even - then add any Vinyl and laquer 6-10 times depending how shiny you want it and how much you want to blend the ridge at the edge of the sticker. Then a really good polishing with a cutting paste (UPOL or Simoniz NOT T-CUT as it'll go cloudy)
Make sure it's been left a couple of weeks before you use the cutting paste so it's gone off properly.
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Scooby
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 26 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the reply but I was kinda looking for an explanation as to what exactly to do... I would be respraying the tank and the hugger, mudguard and rear panels, and surely you have to approach respraying a metal surface to one of a plastic surface differently, or won't it matter because I won't be going down to the bare metal/plastic???

What exactly do I have to do as regards preparing the surface? How much do I sand it down? What grit sandpaper? Is it okay to put stickers onto the dry paint and then laquer?

I really am a noob when it comes to this but would love to give it a go. If someone would be kind enough to do a step by step guide of how they'd do it from scratch (i.e. just the parts in front of them that they want to spray from a standard bike that haven't been sanded down, etc yet) then I'd be really grateful.

I know I can rent out a compressor, but I'd rather do it without using one, will this be a problem?

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TiN
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 26 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

scoobysnacks wrote:


What exactly do I have to do as regards preparing the surface? How much do I sand it down? What grit sandpaper? Is it okay to put stickers onto the dry paint and then laquer?



Sandpaper!?!?!? I hope you mean "Wet & Dry"

You can get packs of wet & dry from B&Q/Halfords which have a number of different grades. Always have a some water (preferably in hose/spray form) available.

If there are decals on the surface, then I would advise spending the time with some rubbing compound to remove the lacquer, and then carefully removing the decals first. Be prepared to spend a fair while rubbing around the area of the decals with 800 grit wet & dry, to remove the bumps in the paintwork.

I personally used 2 layers of primer, and I also sanded both layers with some very smooth (1200) wet & dry.

scoobysnacks wrote:

I know I can rent out a compressor, but I'd rather do it without using one, will this be a problem?



Not necessarily a problem, especially since you've got a nice shed...I used aerosols outdoors, which led to mucho frustration...however, make sure that you use a mask, and take regular trips out of the shed to clear your lungs out Smile

On the subject of compressors: where would one acquire the paint?...will places like Halfords be able to provide me with it?
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 26 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok cheers chunkielad and TiN, one more question TiN, (Smile) I know that the RVF obviously required more spray cans coz you had to paint all the fairings, but how much did it cost you to do it total, including the wet and dry, primer, paint, and lacquer? And I take it you used metallic paint from Halfords? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 26 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

There are plenty of commercial places doing paint, but the problem is that car painting stuff can be dangerous to use (for example, 2 pack paints need full breathing apparatus to use if you want to have anything other than a short and painful life).

Compressors themselves are not that expensive. I paid £190 for mine, but that has a fair size tank on it. Bit over £100 should get you something useable. Then it makes life easy for blowing tyres up and cleaning carbs out

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PostPosted: 23:11 - 26 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

get it done profesionally its easyer and you will geta better result
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 27 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I would do Kev but won't it cost a fortune and mean me not having a bike for ages with the parts being sent away?

Anyone know roughly it would be to get these parts sprayed on the Bandit6...

Tank
Front mudguard
Rear hugger
Bellypan
Rear panels
and possibly an undertray

That's based on a standard metallic colour by the way...
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 27 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go see a car resprayer, not one of the big companies but the type you find on a industrial estate!

Normally they do good jobs (as if they dont they dont stay in business long) and a hell of a lot cheeper than the big companies.

If you show them the bits they will give you a price, and it will only take them a couple of days (the time been spent on the drying really as painting a panel takes no time at all!)

If you also want to supply them the paint, they will tell you how much to get and probably send you to a place where it wont cost you a fortune.

However if you do decide to do it yourself be carefull and follow all the advice already given. If you decide to use aerosols little tip for you with metalic paints:

Before using the paint, put the tins in warm water first for a few mins (this makes the paint warm and thinner, allowing the metal flakes to move within the paint eaiser and the paint to spray better!

Also with metalic paint, lots of thin coats is the key, let the paint dry between each coat (dont rush it if you want a good job!)

and as has been said above... preperation is the most important part!!!!

best of luck

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TiN
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 27 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that all of the primer/paint/lacquer set me back about £100...as some of the others have suggested, ask around the pub, and see if you can get in contact with some car resprayer...this would certainly be a more viable option, expecially if you just want a "standard" paint job (i.e. all one colour).
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Scooby
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 28 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok cheers lads.

And TiN, yeah I would just want a basic paintjob, nothing too flashy coz some pikey will only come and rob it.
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 28 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could get a tin of black Hammerite, and convert it into a rat bike Twisted Evil
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Ste
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 28 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, im looking at repainting my fairings where they got scuffed from my crash. Would i be right in thinking it will work if:

1. sand area down
2. prime area with grey
3. coats of black gloss
4. laquer over it all

Im just planning on doing this on the blac areas where it is white now, im going to paint pen the silver area. Have read this thead, and this looks about right. I will change the panels when i sell it, but just want it looking nicer for now Wink

Will this be ok?
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TiN
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 29 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen: If you're gonna use lacquer, then I'd advise that you use matt black, rather than gloss...otherwise your finish will be matt Confused

Also, if you bother to read the "instructions" on the can (beyond the "shake well" and "don't inhale" bits), then they advise that you make the surface matt before applying the lacquer.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 29 Nov 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, thanks for pointing that out to me Very Happy I just assumed that it would be gloss black Confused

And reading the instructions does normally help, but I aint bought anything yet Smile
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