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Mr Calendar



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PostPosted: 12:50 - 12 May 2005    Post subject: Why would police video a biker? Reply with quote

Was reading the MCN article on the crack-down by North Yorks police on bikers. The picture they use (probably agency stock) shows what looks like a video being used (policeman, far left). I was wondering why they'd need to do this? What justification?

Just interested in the pros and cons. For example what would they say if your religion banned you from having your image captured?

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PostPosted: 12:58 - 12 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

well people with taht religion would be buggered if they speeded Shocked
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 12 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the same when I saw the picture.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 12 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

All just an aid to prosecution. They video anything and everything where there's likely to be/ has been trouble. They especially like to video football fans/ hooligans.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 12 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have been know to take video at bike meets, especially those where people can be found to be doing lots of stunts.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 12 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
All just an aid to prosecution. They video anything and everything....

I accept the football hooligan bit but what if you're stopped on one of the 'safety' checks (aka let's see who's got small plates and non road can)?

Assuming you're on a legal bike, not stopped for speeding/riding then could you not just say stop filming (just like if a stranger wanted to take your photo)? I believe that if someone takes your picture then you have some sort of copyright on the use of that image.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 12 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe you can pay £10 and request a copy of the video. They must abide by the rules of the dataprotection act also, I believe.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 12 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading that article there it seems a relatively "good" idea to have a sort of warning before hand that coppers are about with those matrix boards, besides the matrix boards generally make me wanna slow down moreso than a camera sign anyway.

On a rideout with southwestbikers they got escorted to their rideout destination by a bike cop once. The problem with these sorts of forums is that it gives the police chance to find out whereabouts large number of bikers will be gathering too.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 12 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is getting evidence, In this case a illegal number plate and race can by the looks of it (the green Kawasaki is also getting some attention).
Rider probably let off with warning and told to sort it. Then if you are caught again with a small plate they will prosicute as you failed to rectify the problem.
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 13 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm writing to my local MP as I'm sick of this.
How many coppers there? Shame they weren't all standing around a well known trouble area when my brother got assaulted for no reason whatsoever.
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 13 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop Targeting road users, start catching real criminals
this has been said millions of times
and its always true
there are TOO many traffic police
Not enough police on the beat
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PostPosted: 04:39 - 13 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

wave2k wrote:
Stop Targeting road users, start catching real criminals
this has been said millions of times
and its always true
there are TOO many traffic police
Not enough police on the beat


I strongly disagree with the "Too many traffic police" bit. I belive there should be *more* traffic police. Traffic police don't just target bikers, they get everyone. I'm sick of cameras being used instead of policemen. I could ride on my back wheel past a speed camera, whilst drunk with no helmet, and as long as I'm not speeding, I'm fine. It's irresponsible to replace traffic police with speed cameras.

On the flip side, there aren't enough police on the beat, I agree, yet police forces aren't getting the budgets to employ more. Sucks really.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 13 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the problem with using a video camera?
Everyday if you walk through a town or city you are on camera so if your religion dosent allow it, and I can't think of any then you would probably never leave your home.

Wave and Fortuna,

Traffic police do traffic policing. Thats the idea.
Why don't you stop feeling so hard done by and get on with your life. Accept if you break the law you may get caught.
Maybe you would like to blame the people who beat up your brother rather than the police.

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PostPosted: 01:40 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

always thought the phrase was.............
"GUILTY UNTILL PROVEN INNOCENT"
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PostPosted: 02:23 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

VTR SP1 wrote:
What's the problem with using a video camera?

Traffic police do traffic policing. Thats the idea.
Why don't you stop feeling so hard done by and get on with your life. Accept if you break the law you may get caught.
Maybe you would like to blame the people who beat up your brother rather than the police.

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The problem with your so called "traffic policing" is that they spend a disproportionate amount of time doing the type of policing in the above picture when theyre numbers have been cut so dramatically and replaced by fixed cameras.
Rather than spending there time trying to detect the more serious offenders on the road they'd rather pick on the most obvious targets for minor traffic offences(which coincidentaly creates more revenue).
Also im sure that if police chief A only generated 1000 pounds in fixed penalties a month but police cheif B generated 50000 pounds in the same month chief A would get his arse hauled over the coals. which is why it doesnt matter how many people tell you these guys dont have targets for amount of fixed penalties issued, if they were having a tight month theyd all be camped out in lay-bys throwing tickets at people for all theyre worth, ignoring the crime that really affects the public(which incidentally is not the group of 9 to 5 monday to friday out for a run on there bikes at the weekend guys pictured above).
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PostPosted: 03:15 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I believe you can pay £10 and request a copy of the video. They must abide by the rules of the dataprotection act also, I believe.


Nah the data protection act exempts government or federal agencies eg: The police, CIA, crap like that
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PostPosted: 05:11 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

lurker wrote:
which is why it doesnt matter how many people tell you these guys dont have targets for amount of fixed penalties issued, if they were having a tight month theyd all be camped out in lay-bys throwing tickets at people for all theyre worth, ignoring the crime that really affects the public(which incidentally is not the group of 9 to 5 monday to friday out for a run on there bikes at the weekend guys pictured above).


What a total load of bollocks.

Aikman666, the data protection act does apply to the police. If a video were to be used against you as evidence you would be entitled to a copy.

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PostPosted: 09:01 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe we should make everyone have their name and address displayed on their back, then they could put in jaywalking cameras and issue fixed penalty fines to wayward pedestrians. The money could be used to fund 'loiter cams', 'dropping cigarette butt cams' and 'drinking in the street' cameras.

Then all the police would need to do is arrest anyone who fails to display their name or writes it in bad handwriting. Simple.

Rather than waste time going out looking for individuals offenders, they should just pull in any large groups of people and check them all,. Chances are two or three of them will have forgotten to use a capital letter or have bad punctuation.

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PostPosted: 09:45 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.


And how many of us? REALLY how many of us? live to the letter of the law?
I get nervous every time i see a police car near me, and I don't even think i've done anything wrong - it's been so long Smile.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSR125-Kid-UK wrote:


And how many of us? REALLY how many of us? live to the letter of the law?
I get nervous every time i see a police car near me, and I don't even think i've done anything wrong - it's been so long Smile.


try going thru liverpool back to the wirral with a broken spedo and when ppl are warning you bizzies are cracking down on the speeders badly! Exclamation very dodgy indeed when u see about 10 bizzie cars and vans cause your near town lol
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aikman666 wrote:
Nah the data protection act exempts government or federal agencies eg: The police, CIA, crap like that


Well the CIA don't comply with the Data protection act as it's a British law and the CIA is American.

There are various get out clauses such as national security and it's quite hard to request a copy of a video even if you're being prosecuted. If you are being prosecuted and if you have any trouble obtaining your video refer the CPS to case number 3324563 held at Gwent Magistrates’ court on the 24th January 2001.

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You may be entitled to a copy but it took the above case to prove it. Sadly now a few forces are destrying the evidence tape before court so it cannot be passed to the crown and thus destroying a possible defence. The word of an officer is enough to prosecute the tape is just a back up.

If you are filmed/photographed take photos of all officers present. If an officer trys to take away your camera citizens arrest them for common assault, if they resist all the better call 999. They will resist which is of course a criminal offence. Sounds like bollocks but if your willing to take it all the way to protect your rights they will be prosecuted, these are your rights so use them instead of whining that you're losing them.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
If you are filmed/photographed take photos of all officers present. If an officer trys to take away your camera citizens arrest them for common assault, if they resist all the better call 999. They will resist which is of course a criminal offence. Sounds like bollocks but if your willing to take it all the way to protect your rights they will be prosecuted, these are your rights so use them instead of whining that you're losing them.


I think you watch to many films.

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PostPosted: 22:43 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

VTR SP1 wrote:

I think you watch to many films.

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And I think your a police officer or subconciously wish you were but lets not get bitchy.

Quite a few campaigning groups have been using this approach. Police tend to get all upset at having their pictures taken especially when filming demonstrations. Quite a few charges against individuals have been dropped after these methods have been used.
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

VTR SP1 wrote:

Wave and Fortuna,

Traffic police do traffic policing. Thats the idea.
Why don't you stop feeling so hard done by and get on with your life. Accept if you break the law you may get caught.
Maybe you would like to blame the people who beat up your brother rather than the police.

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Cheers for reminding me then that unfortunately I'm more likely to be done for speeding going to work, than if I gave it all up to be a criminal and mugged someone to get my money.
I think it's great that on the way home I can go by 10 speed cameras and at least 6 "Safety Officers" during the week but hey, bad areas are left to the gangs of kids. Thanks to the Police I sleep well now knowing that I may get assaulted but not to worry at least they are trying to keep me safe by stopping me at 35 in a 40 zone.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

VTR SP1 wrote:
What a total load of bollocks.

Aikman666, the data protection act does apply to the police. If a video were to be used against you as evidence you would be entitled to a copy.

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Incidently the Date protection act has nothing to do with this. When evidence of any kind is passed to the CPS it becomes Crown property thus the Police have no say in who can view it.
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