My turn to bitch about joining deullies off roundabouts

[Reevo8]

Right folks, I have noticed a lot of discussion about shocking driving and pet hates. Well my pet hate seems to be reinacted everyday.

Picture the scene, after pulling away from some traffic banking it over towards the roundabout, I enter the roundabout in the Right hand lane behing a Transit. I thought nothing of the fact he was doing 25mph, I just thought well you aint gonna crash. As I edged towards the left hand lane to exit the roundabout he indicated too, and then pulled off of the roundabout into the Right hand lane.

Now in my eyes this is the overtaking lane, and it obviously is just that as it is a deul carraigeway with a motorway speed limit. But the idiot was not overtaking at all, nope he just pulled into that lane for no apparent reason, then as I was set for a pissed of undertake, he indicated left and swung left immediately, luckily this was all within seconds and I hadnt pulled away.

Just as I was overtaking he gave me the wanker sign so I got close enough for him to hear. I was waving my arms from side to side to symbolise bad lane discipline and then shouted "Learn to fucking drive, what was you overtaking then, eh? Well then get in the right fucking lane ya twat". I then sat at 50mph overtaking a lorry, just to really piss him off, as I had already checked that there were no cars behind.

Anyone else experienced these wrong-lane-off-of-the-roundabout for-no-reason-then-sit-in-that-lane-ers?

Ya see if he was actually about to overtake I wouldnt be bothered, and would have just sat tight in behind him and waited, but there was nothing there and no need. I had a bloke at work who used to do the same, and it really got to me, All I could do was tell him though, he wasnt worried about it at all.
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[instigator]

Depends on the roundabout surely?

If both left and right lanes indicate that you can go straight through, and you're going straight through, then he was doing the right thing, by staying the in the right hand lane

[Stu_666]

Isn't undertaking a vehicle asking for trouble though? Yeah I agree with you that as he was'nt overtaking anything he should move into the left lane, as this is what it should be used for, but it does seem a bit impatient to do an undertake. Also it might have been that he was in that lane to overtake a slow moving vehicle he could see in the distance and decided it was easier to stay in that lane for the moment.

[Reevo8]

[instigator]

If it was a straight through roundabout, then the van driver done what you should do - stay in your lane. I don't think you're supposed to change lanes like that in the roundabout, although I usually chop and change lanes on a roundabout in the car....i.e slow lane to roundabout, fast lane in roundabout, leave in slow lane. Quickest way to do it, but only when other cars aren't about.

Once he had cleared the roundabout, he moved over to the slower lane to allow you to over take.

Am I wrong in thinking what he done was fine???

[.....]

Just calm down, follow the van and make sure he can see you in his right side mirror and wait for him to move over.

How long did it take him to move to the left? Not long. Surely you can wait

[Ste]

If its a roundabout or the roads coming on and off a roundabout then IMO the right hand lane isn't an over taking lane, its a lane for use by any traffic who needs to be in that lane. Were there any markings on the roads or signs saying what lane(s) to be in? Stay in your lane is normally the simplest rule to follow, undertaking vans at roundabout exits isn't usually a good idea IMO.

I don't actually see the van driver as having done anything wrong.

[Reevo8]

You people all seem to be model students, do you ride at speed limits and apologise when people pull out on you too?

As I said, he sat in the overtaking lane for long enough for me to lose patience! And when I say ovetaking lane, I mean a good 400m after the exit. Then it seemed that as I had lost patience he finally decided that the time was right to pull back accross in front of me!

IMO he was in the wrong, I wouldnt have posted this otherwise, maybe I didnt describe the situation well enough in the first place. But I am sure you people undertake if someone is sat in your way on a deul carraigeway.
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[stinkwheel]

The roundabout lane discipline sounds fine to me. If the lane he joined it in (right) was arrowed for straight on then he should stay in that lane and exit in it. Chopping lanes partway round a roundabout is a good way to cause an accident.

Once he re-joined the dual carriageway, he should have pulled back into the left hand lane unless he was overtaking someone. Incidentally, at least he indicated left, as I recall, you don't have to when pulling back into the left lane on a dual carriageway.

You shouldn't really be overtaking up the inside at all, you would be booked for it if a copper saw you. If you are going to, I would drop back further than it sounds like you did so when you come up behind the vehicle you have enough speed up to make the overtake a done-deal regardless of what he does.

That is not roadcraft by the way, it is my technique which would be regarded as 'driving without due care and attention' and will eventually get you booked if you keep doing it. I will hold my hands up and admit to being no angel with regard to nipping up the inside on the odd occasion too, but I try not to make a habit of it.... Just to make it clear to the younger and more impressionable riders
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[Reevo8]

[stinkwheel]

[Reevo8]

[cbrbiker]

Ah man, people and roundabouts just piss me off. There's one in St. Albans (London Colney roundabout to those that know), where lane discipline doesn't seem to matter. The lanes are CLEARLY marked all the way round, but some people still take as straight a line as possible, even if it means nearly causing a crash.

A couple of months ago, I was driving to the cinema with some peeps in the car and I kept my lane going round and some dozy bint in a people carrier decided she was going to cut across and then she had the cheek to hoot me for being correct!!
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[izzi81]

I'd do what he did coming off the roundabout - if it's got 2 lanes coming off the roundabout going into 2 lanes on the road then surely you stay in the lane you are in? Once you are on the road you would then pull into the left hand lane if you're not wanting to overtake.

Fair enough if he was going very slowly, but as someone already said he might not have known the road layout so going a bit more slowly so as to take the right exit. Once off the roundabout he pulled into the slower lane, as he should. I'm unsure if he pulled left almost into you, or if he pulled left almost into you as you started to undertake. Because if you were undertaking then you can't really get angry at him! You say you get annoyed about people sitting in the right hand lane, but he didn't sit there, he moved back across?

It didn't seem like the van driver did much wrong, but you have said you needed a piss so were 'on it', easily annoyed, waving both hands in the air (not keeping much control of your machine then), shouting at him, then intentionally driving slowly to cause annoyance. I'm afraid if I had to pick someone who was more of a danger on the road at that point it would have been you!

I never really understand road rage. How does it help you you shout and gesticulate? Is what he did really worth getting that angry about? If you were in that much of a hurry why not just overtake him when it was clear, and ride away? By shouting and waving and then slow overtaking you probably delayed yourself more than he did in the first place.

People need to chill out more
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[TheShaggyDA]

https://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/17.htm#160

You are "supposed" to move over to the left once you pass the exit before the one you want to leave on, but if that means cutting in front of someone then you stay in the lane you're in.

Once you've left the roundabout however, you move over to the left unless overtaking.[/quote]
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[G]

Driving a van I know it can be hard to work out where other vehicles are.

Did you make your self easily seeable in his mirrors all the time?

It may be he had seen a bike that had then disapeared from his mirrors, so was not pulling over initi'ally to avoid hitting you.

Same with a round about exit, it's quite hard to work out if you're going to cut someone up in a van, so maybe he was ensuring he didn't.

[Zero-G]