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Chriss
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: 750cc or 1000cc Reply with quote

Hi all, I'm looking to get a new bike, and I'm thinking of the R1, however, I've also been tempted by a GSX-R750, but my dealer won't let me test ride either (bike 19, I wonder why!)

I was basically wondering what the 750 is like to ride, I've ridden an R1, and I love the fact it's got so much power you can just hoist a wheelie up at any speed with the power, and the way the rear wheel spins as you power it out of a corner. As you can tell, I've fallen in love with litre power, but I was wondering if the 750 gives similar performance.

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PostPosted: 11:22 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you take the R1 to it's limits you probably would not notice the difference on the road. I believe the 750 is a very good bike and more useable on a day to day basis as a road bike.

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PostPosted: 13:30 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

VTR SP1 wrote:
Unless you take the R1 to it's limits you probably would not notice the difference on the road. I believe the 750 is a very good bike and more useable on a day to day basis as a road bike.


To some degree, I would think the opposite might be true.

You start pushing a 750 and 1000 and you'll probably be going about the same speed - it's only the massively talented that can get more out of the extra 250cc, infact at my Cadwell Race meeting I watched a (tuned) 600cc beat tuned 1000cc and more bikes in the Forza extreme class.

However when you're not going for it, the slightly thicker midrange may mean you can be a bit lazier occasionally.

As usual, I would generally say go for a big bike for laziness and a smaller bike for fun thrashing.

Saying that, either is a very fast bike, both should still have a decent amount of midrange.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

did you say you were 19?

how much is the insurance going to be, roughly.

gsxr750 specs say it only weighs 165kg which sounds really light for a powerfull bike.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd get the GSXR750! Its not much less powerful than the 1000's and the torque curve will have less nasty surprises than the 1000's.


GSXR750s are all class acts of any age and the recent and current ones are ranking on the sublime.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want the k5 750!
I believe a 750 is the perfect compromise between power, weight and handling Their power to weight ratio puts them almost on a par with a 1000, but have superior handling characteristics.
However, i am biased by the fact that i love gixers.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:

However, i am biased by the fact that i love gixers.


May be a little biased myself lol Although my taste in gixxers is a little more oldskool.....

To be honest i think the 750 is a more pure sportsbike rather than the 1000's.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old bikes have their place (museums etc), but for me i love modern bikes. It never fails to amaze me how much 'stuff' they can cram into such a small place.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
Old bikes have their place (museums etc)


treading on thin ice boy.......
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did i say museums? I meant history books!
I'm sure there is a picture of an old oil cooled gixer on the Bayeaux tapestry.
Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insurance isn't much more than my current 600. Does anyone know how I'd get to test ride a GSX-R750? Go through Autotrader and get a test ride? Razz
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turn up to a dealer with some cash, a decent one should be able to sort you out if they think you're serious.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
Did i say museums? I meant history books!
I'm sure there is a picture of an old oil cooled gixer on the Bayeaux tapestry.
Laughing
Fancy a drag race you cheeky sod lol
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one thing the old gixers were very good at was going very fast in a straight line.
Didn't get on so well with corners though!
The original hedge seeking missile.
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 02 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new Suzuki GSX-R750 is a great bike. Twisted Evil It's fast and it handles like the extreme sports bike it is (light and agile like a 600 with a 750 engine), but the new R1 is absolutely awesome. Very Happy It's a more all round bike, is very fast, surprisingly comfortable, easy to ride (but always treat it with respect 'cos it can bite back if you don't), and it looks stunning!
I get to ride both regularly and given the choice it's the R1 for me all the time. Cool
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 03 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you give them the cash value of the bike as security, someone will let you have a go but if you break it you have bought it
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PostPosted: 01:56 - 03 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said, if you prove you are serious and have the means to actually purchase the bike, then there is no reason why they shouldn't let you take it for a spin.

However, they've probably had a hundred guys your age come in and ask the same question, but with no intention of making a purchase!

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PostPosted: 12:43 - 03 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the problem, I want to use my bike as a part exchange. Does mean I'll have to save up the £4k extra? Sad

Anyway of saying "I break it I buy it" legally?
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 03 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem might be an insurance thing. You might have to be over 21 to get on their cover, but If he wont let you test ride them and you are serious about purchasing, I would go elsewhere.

A car dealer wouldn't have the same problem with you testing them.

I hate the fact that you have to beg for test rides on bikes! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 03 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

RealNinja wrote:
You might have to be over 21 to get on their cover


Yes, I suspect that is the problem Confused

I've known my dealer for a few years now, and it kinda helps when you want a test ride.

Perhaps there is a way you can sign to agree to pay full damage if you bin it? Not sure. Bit of a bummer though.

Suppose, they've got to look after their best interests at the end of the day.

They'd obviously rather lose the sale than risk you having a bad accident or something.

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PostPosted: 21:26 - 03 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't ridden an R1, but my GSXR750 K3 is an awesome bike and (in the real world) is everything (and more) that'd you'd ever need. It's got loads of grunt but is surprisingly civilised with it. I really can't fault it. Having said that, I'm sorely tempted by a Thou, just for the experience!
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 03 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been on the back of a R1, and it's the silly things that have me hooked, like powering out of a corner, and the back just starting to let go, and then hoisting the front wheel up at 80 mph.

Stupid things, that can only be done with that sorta torque, that's what I love about 'em. Never been on a 750, so don't know if that sorta stupidity can be done with them. (Mind you, I don't think I'd try doing it on a test ride...)
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 05 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
I've been on the back of a R1, and it's the silly things that have me hooked, like powering out of a corner, and the back just starting to let go, and then hoisting the front wheel up at 80 mph.

Stupid things, that can only be done with that sorta torque, that's what I love about 'em. Never been on a 750, so don't know if that sorta stupidity can be done with them. (Mind you, I don't think I'd try doing it on a test ride...)

It depends which R1 you're looking at.

Although the 04/05s have the highest BHP, they have the least torque of all the generations, particularly low down. All the power comes at higher revs after around 8,000RPM.

The 02/03s have the most and smoothest torque curve.

I have a Mistral Grey 04 and it's more than enough for me.

Suzuki's GSXRs have always benefited from having good torque for in-line fours. I have ridden a friends K4 750 and it was like a rocket.

If it's torque your after though, maybe you should consider v-twin bikes.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 05 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

MJ wrote:
If it's torque your after though, maybe you should consider v-twin bikes.


What big V-twin bikes are there? Aprilia, Ducati, Honda SP1-2 and TL1000R.

Aprillia and Ducati's are both too expensive for me to really consider (I was looking at a 98-99 R1 around £4k to spend, as I prefer carbs, no real reason for prefering them, just a 'carbs are cooler') as with the SPs, and the TL, I keep hearing of people dieing on them. Confused
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 05 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

MJ wrote:

If it's torque your after though, maybe you should consider v-twin bikes.


https://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=1937

The coloured in section shows torque.
Believe the bikes were an R1 and a SP2.
The red bit is where the SP2 has more torque than the R1, while the blue bit is where the R1 has more torque.

While the R1 suffers slightly lower down, it does have a relatively longer rev range and through out most of the rev range produces more torque.
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