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mistergixer
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Odd sighting. Reply with quote

Saw a bloke on the way home yesterday riding a Pan Yurrupian, in shorts, t-shirt, trainers, no gloves and an open face lid.
He really confused me by wearing a Sam Brown Hi Viz belt over the top of it.
Is it just me that finds his safety concession somewhat ironic?
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen that guy (If you're around St Albans), I was equally confused as what to make of him. Confused
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, it was on the A414 just after London Colney.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe he figures the hi-viz stuff will stop him needing the protective gear.
does sound silly tho!

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PostPosted: 12:33 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pmsl - that's the funniest think I have ever heard!!!
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know I shouldn't be so easily swayed but I couldn't help thinking well if he's doing it then it must be ok, hes on a pan and they don't do wrong stuff. Then again he probably doesn't push it.

Funny that when I see trainers,wife beater top and shorts on a 600 I just think twat.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe he's a surrealist.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw someone yesterday on a WR with mx boots, armoured gloves and trousers, a peaked helmet with goggles, and a Hi-viz vest. Not even a T-shirt. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I see it with protective clothing; if you're going to ride defensively, slowly and generally 'safely', there's no reason it should be much more dangerous than sitting in car without protective clothing or walking on the pavement of a busy street.

However I know I may always end up doing some filtering, wheelies or other general 'playing' - so I usually wear at least a jacket, combat boots, helmet and gloves.


Seems to make sense that if you want to enjoy the breeze you make sure self extra visible (especially to account for dozy drivers not thinking when they suddenly enter a much darker shaded area, after having the sun in their eyes.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you say combat bots G do you mean like army man ones? if so that can be a very bad idea. Steel toe caps being run over = owned toes.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ork12 wrote:
When you say combat bots G do you mean like army man ones? if so that can be a very bad idea. Steel toe caps being run over = owned toes.
Alex

I do mean army style ones, though I usually go for Hi-Tech Magnums, which are more comfortable than your average army boot, but also wear out quicker.
I definitely would not go for steel toe caps as I know the dangers.

I have had a bike semi sliding ontop of my ankle/foot in this model of boots before and the boots did get a bit damaged, but otherwise everything else seemed to survive.
Definitely better than trainers, though not going to be as good as decent race boots.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not sure whether combat boots do have steel toe caps, but it takes a hell of a lot to crush the steel. After all the steel is there to protect the toes from things being dropped on them.

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PostPosted: 15:43 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stinkwheel made this point before. A combat boot does not have steel toecaps, as it would just be extra shrapnel when the squaddie steps on a landmine. None of the pairs of combat boots I've ever worn or seen have had them. Work boots on the other hand are different. But, they're supposed to withstand a shock loading from a hundred or two kilos I would suppose, not a continuous load from a half tonne or more.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Army boots (proper ones) do not have steel toe caps. They have stiffened leather reinforced toecaps and heels. Steel toe caps in army boots are definatley not a good idea, they are designed to hold the remanants of your foot together in case of an accident/explosion. Imagine the consequences of stepping on a mine in steelies! Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
But, they're supposed to withstand a shock loading from a hundred or two kilos I would suppose, not a continuous load from a half tonne or more.


Having had a car park one of its front wheels on my foot (while I was wearing shoes) I should point out that they do not feel as heavy as you would expect.

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PostPosted: 16:35 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having had an 850kg cow stand on my steel toe caps then rock back off the edge to put all the weight directly across the arch of my foot, briusing my metacarpals and leaving me with a limp for a fortnight. I will never wear them again.

If you want to protect your feet...Chainsaw wellies!

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PostPosted: 17:05 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I find stupid is people wearling full leather outfits...no gloves. I'd rather wear naked WITH gloves. Razz silly peeps.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah im with you on the gloves thing

I dont think they are thinking safety, they want the leathers for the look and dont wear the gloves if they are hot
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
The way I see it with protective clothing; if you're going to ride defensively, slowly and generally 'safely', there's no reason it should be much more dangerous than sitting in car without protective clothing or walking on the pavement of a busy street.


Not really.
In a car you have a strong metal shell that will save you from virtually anything at 30mph (city speed). When you're walking along the street your top speed isn't so high and you hope no one decideds to drive on the pavement. 20-30mph on the bike you fall it will really hurt no matter how defensively you ride if you have no protection.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

DukeRed wrote:


Not really.
In a car you have a strong metal shell that will save you from virtually anything at 30mph (city speed). When you're walking along the street your top speed isn't so high and you hope no one decideds to drive on the pavement. 20-30mph on the bike you fall it will really hurt no matter how defensively you ride if you have no protection.


Yet noone seems to be concerned that cyclists ride around town (often in a much more inconsiderate and dangerous manner than other motorists) at up to 30mph wearing nothing but a thin layer of lycra.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah but we're Motor biker's. We only care about the one's we love. Wink
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

DukeRed wrote:
20-30mph on the bike you fall it will really hurt no matter how defensively you ride if you have no protection.


60mph on a bus would hurt in an accident, yet people still stand on those.

How much a 40mph crash hurts on a bike will depend greatly on how you fall. And to go with what Stinkwheel has mentioned, check the crash protection of those racing in the Tour de France (with one team averaging 57kmh on one stage with essentially no crash protection).

Sure you are probably better off wearing full leathers, etc, but the advantage is not as large are people think.

All the best

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PostPosted: 18:21 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In a car you have a strong metal shell that will save you from virtually anything at 30mph (city speed).

I was considering higher speeds.
Add in another car coming the other way and a combined speed of 60mph (or higher, not everyone obeys speed limits) won't be so nice.


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When you're walking along the street your top speed isn't so high and you hope no one decideds to drive on the pavement.

I mentioned it because things can go wrong and not intending to drive on the pavement doesn't mean that it won't happen

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20-30mph on the bike you fall it will really hurt no matter how defensively you ride if you have no protection.

Not sure on the speeds, but I've crashed at that sort of speed and come off 'ok' at least while wearing jeans.
Also come off with knackered knees in other cases.

I was considering higher speeds really, though.


With mention of push bike riders - check out some of the injuries they sustain as well, some look very nasty, and they're on closed roads with other unprotected competitors.
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
With mention of push bike riders - check out some of the injuries they sustain as well, some look very nasty, and they're on closed roads with other unprotected competitors.

Since I bought a motorbike, I've felt a lot more vulnerable when I'm out on my mountain bike - I always wear a helmet now where I often didn't bother before, though it's probably a token effort when you've got bare skin showing all over the place Confused
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 13 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Wonder how quick they could ride on the Tour de France while wearing full leathers Laughing .

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