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getyerkneedow...
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: You are therefore summoned to appear on the date shown...! Reply with quote

As you'll no doubtedly remember, i got tugged about 2 weeks ago for speeding, after a chase of about 10 miles.

I received my summons to court on Saturday morning. They have only charged me with "...at a speed exceeding 60mph. Contrary to article 3 of the 70mph, 60mph, 50mph (temp speed limit) order 1977 as varied and continued....." So looks like they've not pushed for charges of failure to stop when requested to do so.

The bike is now for sale officially. I've told work and my dad, both were alright about it. My push bike has been dusted down and is booked in for a full overhaul and ive enquired about bus time tables to and from work.

Im due in court at 10am on Wednesday 3rd August 2005.

Few weeks left....

Think of the money i'll save on petrol though.....
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Re: You are therefore summoned to appear on the date shown.. Reply with quote

getyerkneedown wrote:
Think of the money i'll save on petrol though.....


And the all the up hill gardening Wink Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why dont you just buy a Goped? Cool
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how long is it before you can get your license back when you're banned?

Do you have to do the CBT and DAS again?

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getyerkneedow...
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zen Dog wrote:
So how long is it before you can get your license back when you're banned?

Do you have to do the CBT and DAS again?

Zen Dog


Depends on the punishment which the magistrate hands out. Normally its just a ban, then you get your license back at end of it...

If you're disqalified, the judge can order you to redo your tests again... in which case i would contest the decision to the highest levels as thats an unfair punishment given the "crime".

Hopefully theyll give me a 56 day ban and large fine. get license back at end still with my 11 points on it. On other hand they may give me 6 points for it, which means i lose license under the "totting up", and its a minimum of 6 month ban, probably more like 12-18 months.

So im getting my dad to give a speech in court, and looking at getting a good traffic lawyer... found one down south that will represent me up here in yorkshire, knows his stuff, and is asking for £760 for the day, all inclusive.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
Why dont you just buy a Goped? Cool


Depends if you want to be done for a whole host of offences, which you would be guilty of for using one on the road / path.

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:09 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It don't sound like good news, getyerkneedown.

With all due respect to yourself and others like you, what I can't understand is why riders - and drivers for that matter - push the limits that far, especially when they've already got so many points on their licences.

In your case, maybe you simply thought you could get away from Plod fast enough for them to get no details? Bad decision when they're behind you, don't you think?

To be honest, I think a ban is inevitable. And with 11 points already I don't think it'll be a short one. Just plead guilty to whatever you have to in order to get the most lenient sentence. That way you'll get your licence back in the shortest possible time.

In the meantime, just don't pedal your pushbike too fast eh? Because you CAN be fined for speeding on a pushbike too, ya' know!

Just get back on the road as soon as you can.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Old Geeza wrote:


In the meantime, just don't pedal your pushbike too fast eh? Because you CAN be fined for speeding on a pushbike too, ya' know!

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Yup... i know that. I was done on my pushbike before i got into motorbikes... about 17yo... i was stopped for doing 45 in a 30 zone down a hill.. They fined me £50 with another £20 for not having a helmet on... facist bastards!!
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

can you really get doen for riding a pushbike too fast???
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

getyerkneedown wrote:
Yup... i know that. I was done on my pushbike before i got into motorbikes... about 17yo... i was stopped for doing 45 in a 30 zone down a hill.. They fined me £50 with another £20 for not having a helmet on... facist bastards!!

They fined you £20 for not having a helmet on while you were riding a push bike? Confused Since when was it a legal requirement?
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You shouldn't get too much. I got done for speeding (45mph in a 30mph) and failed to pull over when they first put their lights on (no siren, was gone midnight), and I had no mirrors so couldn't see them straight away, only as they got closer I saw the lights flashing on the buildings infront.
I only got 3 points and a £150 fine.

Have you got points on your licence already?
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getyerkneedow...
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BeefMeister wrote:
You shouldn't get too much. I got done for speeding (45mph in a 30mph) and failed to pull over when they first put their lights on (no siren, was gone midnight), and I had no mirrors so couldn't see them straight away, only as they got closer I saw the lights flashing on the buildings infront.
I only got 3 points and a £150 fine.

Have you got points on your licence already?


Yeah fella. im on 11 already. All for speeding. Sad
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getyerkneedow...
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

leicester_city21 wrote:
can you really get doen for riding a pushbike too fast???


you certainly can matey. You can also get done for being "drunk and in charge of a bicycle".... Laughing hillarious - but true.
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getyerkneedow...
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dusty wrote:
getyerkneedown wrote:
Yup... i know that. I was done on my pushbike before i got into motorbikes... about 17yo... i was stopped for doing 45 in a 30 zone down a hill.. They fined me £50 with another £20 for not having a helmet on... facist bastards!!

They fined you £20 for not having a helmet on while you were riding a push bike? Confused Since when was it a legal requirement?


Dunno mate. i dont think it is - but from what i can remember of it it was something to do with the speed they clocked me at... i even tried arguing that my Kona didnt have a speedo so how was i to know how fast i was going...

He just replied - you should have realised when you were overtaking traffic.. . Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

leicester_city21 wrote:
can you really get doen for riding a pushbike too fast???


Hi

I don't think you can be done for speeding on a bicycle, but you can be done for "cycling furiously" or some other such offence.

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:57 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

In reply to leicester_city21...

Yes, you CAN get done for riding a pushbike too fast.

If you think about it, you're on a Public road and you're breaking the speed limit. Simple as that.

Here's a story for you that you probably won't believe, but I promise you it's 100% true...

About 20 years ago a friend of mine had been out on a night out drinking - a real bender. The next morning he had a bad head (understandably) and bad beer breath. So, he decided to err on the safe side and ride his pushbike to work instead of taking his car.

Whilst riding his bicycle to work, he hit a drain cover and the front wheel immediately jammed. The cycle came to a very abrupt halt and he was thrown over the handlebars and landed on the curb. At that very moment a Bobby-on-the-beat assisted him up and smelled his stale beer breath.

You can guess the next bit - yes, Plod breathelysed him.

My friend failed the breath test, was charged with being drunk in charge of a Bicycle and lost his car licence. He was also banned from riding a Bicycle.

I kid you not. This is 100% true.

The laws may have changed nowadays towards pushbike riders. I don't know. But it's a bit of an eye-opener, isn't it?
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, Kickstart, but you're wrong.

Please see my previous reply to leicester_city21

The truth is out there. Just ask a Copper.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Old Geeza wrote:
...ride his pushbike to work...Plod breathelysed him...

You can be done for being drunk in charge of a pushbike.

However, you cannot be done for being drunk if you were riding a horse Very Happy Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who gets done for speeding on a pushbike is more the fool for:

a) Stopping in the first place, plod ain't going to catch you on foot and his car doesn't fit through narrow gaps.

and

b) Being stupid enough to give them your real name. It isn't like they can check up on your registration number.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer's simple then, isn't it ?






Let's all get horses instead - ha! Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right to a certain extent, stinkwheel.

But, if Plod catches you, he'll arrest you, confiscate your bicycle and take you down the station.

Then the questions begin. And if you decide to lie, Plod will simply take you home in his car, and if he discovers you don't live at that address then you've f***ed up big time. And then they get very annoyed.

Figure it out. They ain't 'thick'. They know all the tricks in the book.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excerpts from the Road traffic act 1988.

Quote:
28. A person who rides a cycle on a road recklessly is guilty of an offence.In this section "road" includes a bridleway.

29. If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.In this section "road" includes a bridleway.

30.—(1) A person who, when riding a cycle on a road or other public place, is unfit to ride through drink or drugs (that is to say, is under the influence of drink or a drug to such an extent as to be incapable of having proper control of the cycle) is guilty of an offence.

(2) In Scotland a constable may arrest without warrant a person committing an offence under this section.

(3) In this section "road" includes a bridleway.

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PostPosted: 18:27 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erm...

I think that just about covers everything I mentioned before.

Thanks, Stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Old Geeza wrote:
Sorry, Kickstart, but you're wrong.

Please see my previous reply to leicester_city21


Just been doing some Googling, and cannot find anything official confirmation. However I did find several cycling sites and forums which specifiy that speed limits do not apply to cycles (here,here,here and here). The relevant section of the road traffic act I found was as follows:-

Road Traffic Act wrote:
section 81: General speed limit for restricted roads. (1) A motor vehicle can not be driven at a speed exceeding 30 miles per hour on a restricted road. (2) The speed fixed by subsection (1) can be altered by the Ministers acting jointly and making an order by statutory instrument and approved by a resolution of each House of Parliament.


As you can see, it refers to motor vehicles.

All the best

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PostPosted: 18:42 - 18 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough, Kickstart.

Maybe I'm wrong. As I mentioned in my previous posting, maybe things have changed these days regarding cyclists.

I just don't know. But years ago things were so much different.

But would you really want to put the law to the test.

Oh, OK then... Yes you would!
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