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ohdannyboy |
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ohdannyboy Borekit Bruiser
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Posted: 17:49 - 27 Jul 2005 Post subject: Backing it in... |
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Hi all,
I have taken the drz out in the rain for the first time today to get used to the feeling of losing rear wheel traction.
I would really like to be able to turn the out of the blue losses of grip into controlled powerslides.
Any advice on the steps to take to start getting the back out?
Or am I just crazy for thinking about doing this on the road?
Any input at all welcomed as always ____________________ Gas on, clutch out, wheel up! |
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stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist
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Posted: 17:56 - 27 Jul 2005 Post subject: |
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I have not intentionally done it myself but I believe a good start would be to learn how to do it on a lighter bike on a loose surface ie moto-x.
Expect to get hurt trying it on tarmac. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
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Chr!S Nitrous Nuisance
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Posted: 18:02 - 27 Jul 2005 Post subject: Re: Backing it in... |
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ohdannyboy wrote: | Hi all,
I have taken the drz out in the rain for the first time today to get used to the feeling of losing rear wheel traction.
I would really like to be able to turn the out of the blue losses of grip into controlled powerslides.
Any advice on the steps to take to start getting the back out?
Or am I just crazy for thinking about doing this on the road?
Any input at all welcomed as always |
You will fuck up
You will hurt yourself
You will feel like a tit
But
Make sure your on a private road with no other traffic. It's best to practise on a straight section before using this technique into corners. Get some speed up (60mph is fine).
1. Close the throttle, gently touch the front brakes, whip the clutch in and change down into first gear quickly.
2. Feed the clutch out to the biting point. Normally the revs would skyrocket into the red zone but use the rear braje to control them by stopping the rear wheel turning to fast.
3. Idelly the rear wheel should keep turning at about 20 mph while the road is passing under you at 60mph. You can control the direction by steering with your hips and using opposite lock.
4. Once youve perfewcted the technique, you can arrive at a corners apex as the slide dies out and the bike straightens up. youre then well postioned to fire out fast on the throttle.
What can go wrong?
First, this is one for the expert riders only. If you cant do big wheelies, dont try this. It can turn nasty fast. If the bike is sideways you panic and pull the clutch in, it can cause a reverse highside. Not good. |
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Sparks! Sir Tart-a-lot
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Posted: 18:05 - 27 Jul 2005 Post subject: |
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Backing it in comes with speed.. people who try to do it before they are ready usually crash.. when you're ready to back it in you'll just be doing it naturally without thinking about it a great deal. Trying it on the road is stupid IMO and will only end up on your arse.
and jumping on the back brake or slippery wet roads DO NOT count ____________________ Current Toys: 06 Yamaha WR250F | Nissan 350Z GT | Tech 4 Homes |
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G The Voice of Reason
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dransy World Chat Champion
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Posted: 18:18 - 27 Jul 2005 Post subject: |
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just do what you do on a push bike
go as fast as you can and then slam on the back brake ____________________ Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles |
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Sparks! Sir Tart-a-lot
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Zoffo Brolly Dolly
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Posted: 18:46 - 27 Jul 2005 Post subject: |
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The most likely cause of losing the back end isn't because the tyre is going slower than the tarmac it's because it's going faster. Too much throttle in too low a gear will cause the back to loose grip and step out. Happened to me a few times and is usually controllable unless your right over at the time.
The brownies you see Rossi laying down are spectacular to watch but not giving much advantage because the tyre is losing grip under acceleration. ____________________ https://hyperbikes.forumsplace.com/ |
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RascalsCustar... Scooby Slapper
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ohdannyboy Borekit Bruiser
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Posted: 22:16 - 27 Jul 2005 Post subject: |
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Thanks a bunch guys,
I think i might have to book myself in with a day at the Yamaha supermoto school. Il post another thread with some pics once I become a master of the rear end. (Take that last bit how you wish) ____________________ Gas on, clutch out, wheel up! |
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8316 Could Be A Chat Bot
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Posted: 23:02 - 27 Jul 2005 Post subject: |
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i dont want to sound like im bragging here,but i think it depends on what bike you ride. a gs125 has vicious engine braking in 1st gear. braking and leaning over and shifting down to 1st at the traffic lights gets the rear wheel sideways by about 6inches and chattering like mad as it tries to stop itself.
in the wet however.....
on some slippery pieces of tarmac, it lets go and immediately locks up.i have scared myself sometimes when i have leant it over and it steps out quite far,but when it regularly happens,it feels quite good!
so my way of backing in is to use a 125 with no wieght on the rear tyre....
big bikes i have no clue about ____________________ Now own a Fireblade!! Speed Limits? Bah! |
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Visitor Q $25 whore
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 18 years, 328 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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