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PostPosted: 01:07 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Horses Reply with quote

riding along today happy as can be taking some back lane country roads, NSL and nice and twisty. there i am blatting along at 50mph when i come to a straight bit of road then i begin to wind on the throttle and i see 2 horses coming towards me on the opposite side of the road about 200-300 metres away. now i dont have a loud can on my bike and its not a 2 stroke. Add to this i was mid rev-rage in top gear, as i approach the horse riders the front one makes a signal with her right arm up and down(which i realised was the highway code hand signal that she intended to slow down or stop) but this gesture was obviously aimed at me. slightly angered by this i slowly wound back on the throttle and passed them at about 55-60mph certainly no more. All horse lovers and enthusiasts please reserve judgement and keep reading. Returning along the same road about 40-60mins later towards the end of it around a blind corner i am greeted with the road literally colours a light brown colour. Now i kidd you not the road was covered in its entirety by horse sh!t, from one side of the road to another and lasting about 30 metres. Most of it was not that slippy but still loose under the wheels. Needless to say any guilt i had about passing the horses (Below the speed limit FFS) departed.
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would've done the same . . . the law is something like 'not forcing other traffic to change speed or direction'
If horses require other vehicles to slow down they shouldn't b on the road!

It would be interesting to hear other ppls views . . .
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PostPosted: 01:17 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Respect other road users.

You know, like you'd want them to respect you.............

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PostPosted: 01:20 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if that's likely to be horseshit, if it's covering the whole road for 30 metres. I'd be blaming the farmer's machinery for that scale of mess. It reminds me of when Keith binned his Bimota (I think?) at c. 0 mph on a road resembling a slurry pit.

As for passing horses at 60mph with decent revs, Tut Tut. Bear in mind that if they're as militant as many you encounter, they'll probably be only too happy to report hooligan bikers to the police for trying to startle their horses and cause them to thrown off.

Show them some courtesy and they might try and avoid letting their horse shit on the road. To be honest, I think it's far harder than you'd think, I don't know if a horse would even break step to deposit its slippery mound on the road. However, (in my experience) they're mostly saggy-arsed middle aged women who think they're superior in every way and that bikers are mad men who want to kill everyone, and if it causes them to crash, they deserve it. Smile

The one I encountered hadn't left a pile of turd parked on a blind corner but her car, and 'it would serve someone right if they crashed into her'. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get some kind of smug satisfaction from passing horses at very low speeds(20mph or so).

Especially if this involves a few car drivers behind me getting pissed off having to slow down that much as well. Even more so if I then redline my bike once away from the horses annoying said car drivers even more as they were no doubt muttering "slow coach" or worse under their breath moments earlier Wink
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always slow right down for horses. Enough to check out the posh totty riding it anyway Laughing

One thing that really does annoy me though is that you can be fined thousands of pounds for your dog answering the call of nature and leaving a little mark on the side of the path but its ok for horse riders to allow their pets to drop their guts and leave something the size of a small dog right in the middle of the highway! Mad
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

by that argument - if you dont want to encounter horses dont ride bikes in the countryside could also be used.

After all the horse and the consideration with which we should treat it has been on the road for a lot longer than any peice of machinery that we ride / drive. Horse riders also need to realise that the land is no longer exclusive to them now as well.

And yes if it was all over the road you will probably find it was slurry not horse muck. An awhare horse rider will make sure that the horse releives itself in the gutter of the road and motorbikes are risking more than horse muck if they ride in the gutters on country roads.

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I would've done the same . . . the law is something like 'not forcing other traffic to change speed or direction'
If horses require other vehicles to slow down they shouldn't b on the road!

It would be interesting to hear other ppls views . . .

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PostPosted: 12:58 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

What some people don't realise is that horse riders are sitting on a living breathing animal, if it gets spooked by some twat going past too fast, there's very little chance of them stopping it.

My sister has two horses, her boyfriend had one.

Unfortunately he's took off and when he fell off it he landed on a concrete post, breaking his back.

Give them room and respect.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always slow down to 15mph or so.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wondering......

Your bike has broken down. You're pushing it along a country lane, swearing under your breath. Some twat on a sports bike comes past you at high revs, skimming you, nearly knocks you into the ditch and scares the shit out of you. Wouldn't you rather he'd slowed down a bit and gone wide for you?

Ok another scenario. You've taken a corner on a little country lane too fast and binned it, slid out and through a bit of hedge/fence, into the ditch on the other side. Guess who the only road user is who's likely to be high enough to be able to see you and stop or get help?

It's all Karma . Give 'em space.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds to me like you're a complete cock and doesn't know how to ride around live (and particularly large) animals.

Seems that you've boosted your own ego by trying to act hard and 'bad boy biker' like to two people on horses (who I presume were walking along, enjoy ing fresh air in the countryside, same as you) as well as giving them a great atttitude towards bikers which will stay with them for ages.

Total and utter cock!

Oh, and just think, if you'd gone past and scared the horse enough for it to rear up and throw the rider, there by disabling them for life or killing them, you'd be up in front of a group of people arguing your case to stay a free man, so I'd take better care in future if I were you. What would it have taken to slow down to 15-20mph for about 5 seconds just to pass them?

Fucking hate people that don't show people on horses due care. You're a tosser! Middle Finger Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok dont take this as being hostile just a bit of banter ok Smile

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Your bike has broken down. You're pushing it along a country lane, swearing under your breath. Some twat on a sports bike comes past you at high revs, skimming you, nearly knocks you into the ditch and scares the shit out of you. Wouldn't you rather he'd slowed down a bit and gone wide for you?



I passed te horses at mid revs not high revs, on the opposite side of the road with no chance of knocking them into a ditch. Also i did slow down for the horses to a sped were i could pass them quickly and be out of the danger area, be within the speedlimit, make good progress and after all those points considered make the least amount of distress to the horse. All things considered there was a filed next to the road, doesnt soft grass hurt the horses feet less than asphalt?
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

danclarkie wrote:
a sped were i could pass them quickly and be out of the danger area,
be within the speedlimit,
make good progress
make the least amount of distress to the horse.


all of the above would mean at about 15 - 20 mph. not faster.

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PostPosted: 13:30 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

danclarkie wrote:

I passed te horses at mid revs not high revs, on the opposite side of the road with no chance of knocking them into a ditch. Also i did slow down for the horses to a sped were i could pass them quickly and be out of the danger area, be within the speedlimit, make good progress and after all those points considered make the least amount of distress to the horse. All things considered there was a filed next to the road, doesnt soft grass hurt the horses feet less than asphalt?


No, because you should have been in low revs, in a low gear at no more than 15-20mph. Not in mid range. You need to SLOW DOWN for horses. This is because that if they do get spooked they can fuck off up the road dragging the rider with them out of control. Whereas you have the control to slow down and stop on a bike. The horse rider might not be so lucky.

Passing them slowly would have been a better option than passing them quickly (in your excuse to be out of danger) thereby you'd have stopped any danger happening in the first place.

Like I said, you were a cock, in this instance. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horses are hard to predict and easily scared.
If you've ever ridden a large one them you will know it's far more prefferable not to hit one as they are a half tonne of solid muscle!
Thrashing it past one is just asking for trouble as it is not only un nerving for the horse but very frightening for the rider.

For all you know they were trying to warn you about the shit on the road.

If you can't be botherd slowing down forhorses, just pull your clutch in and coast past at 50mph.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing to stop you shutting off your throttle and pulling the clutch in to coast past for about 20 metres, you're the kind of cunt we don't need on the roads... All "me me me" with no consideration for other people! And you're pissed when people don't show consideration for you?

You make me laugh.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

horse riders l slow down to about 15mph for (most of them are mounted police round my way).

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PostPosted: 13:47 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

wonder what the response would have been had i replaced the word horses with cars maybe cop cars or even worse boy racer cars, and replaced the horseshit with spilt diesel form the cars. Question because they choose to bring thier horses on the road they must choose to accept the inherent danger of it. They cannot expect to use roads as an when they please and command authority. A sunday biker chooses when to use his bike on the road, how would you feel on a NSL road if he told you to slow down? Even if he said "Slow down your frightening me." Because a woman is taking a horse out of its natural habitat and making it (with force at times) carry her along a road. maybe call me a hippy but maybe i think animals like that should be free. the rider pus the horse on teh road the rider puts the horse in danger
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with posts above to pass horses slowly and give them room.
Also agree a chance to check out the totty on the horse. Horse riding is good for nice strong thighs from what I recall Very Happy

Mind you, riding anything with a mind of it's own has to be a scary experience Wink

On the issue of horse crap on the road. Who's responsibility is it to clean up? I know farmers are responsible for the any mud etc. they put on the road (and can be prosecuted) but what about horses?

Asking as there appears to be horsey types on here.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

danclarkie wrote:
wonder what the response would have been had i replaced the word horses with cars maybe cop cars or even worse boy racer cars


when was the last time you saw a car get scared and throw it's driver onto the road? or ever seen a truck get spooked and swerve across the cos it got frighened when you went past?

nah.. cos cop cars, boy racer mobiles and the like are inanimate objects that have no "fear"

Horses have a mind of their own, and their own fears and the rider can't control the reaction you're stupidity will have on them.

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PostPosted: 13:56 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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when was the last time you saw a car get scared and throw it's driver onto the road? or ever seen a truck get spooked and swerve across the cos it got frighened when you went past?


its a fact that a large number of people are intimidated by seeing a bike in thier mirrors, this intimidation could startle the driver into making a mistake as simple as pressing the accelerator instead of the brake or anything else.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

danclarkie wrote:
wonder what the response would have been had i replaced the word horses with cars maybe cop cars or even worse boy racer cars, and replaced the horseshit with spilt diesel form the cars. Question because they choose to bring thier horses on the road they must choose to accept the inherent danger of it. They cannot expect to use roads as an when they please and command authority. A sunday biker chooses when to use his bike on the road, how would you feel on a NSL road if he told you to slow down? Even if he said "Slow down your frightening me." Because a woman is taking a horse out of its natural habitat and making it (with force at times) carry her along a road. maybe call me a hippy but maybe i think animals like that should be free. the rider pus the horse on teh road the rider puts the horse in danger


me me me me me .......

Yes, by that token arguement, you should also have been paying attention and be aware of the inherent dangers on the road too, like horses that you slow down for..

But you didn't talk about cars or lorries, it was about horses, which everyone else on the thread has agreed that you should have slowed down for. If you can't take criticism for something that other people (fellow bikers come to that) disagree with you on, then don't post in the first place.

As far as I am personally aware you rode like a prick. Whereas you could have slowed down for 5 seconds (that's literally all it would have taken) and this would have been a non-event and you could have enjoyed the ride out more.
I don't see what your arguement is. We disagree with what you did.

If it had been a van or car spilling diesel then that would have been causing a danger to you. Others have already pointed out that the muck on the road was not horse shit, so why are you still harking on about the horse riders causing a mess, they more than likely didn't, and a motorbike riding past at 55-60mph will probably have made the horses shit themselves anyway, so in effect, it was your own fault.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

danclarkie wrote:
its a fact that a large number of people are intimidated by seeing a bike in thier mirrors, this intimidation could startle the driver into making a mistake as simple as pressing the accelerator instead of the brake or anything else.


Bollox, I'm not intimidated by a bike in my mirrors, and if that is the case, then surely as a bike rider you should make yourself even MORE aware of the possible danger and do something about it, like drop back, keep a distance, hmmm, I don't know, maybe slow down... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

its hard to take advice from a man about slowing down whose signature is

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i read your post take on board what you have said (i never once said racing past horses was a good thing to do if you re-read the original post i was slowing down when the horse rider arrogantly told me to slow down) i posted here to hear peoples opinions and views and advice should the same thing happen again. if i hadnt posted it i wouldnt ave got the constructive critisicm and maybe done the same thing again, instead i get a hoard of verbal abuse from people who dont even know me, yes by all means you can tell me i was wrong and it was a very stupid thing to do. But to personally insult me, over the internet, you need to get out more my friend.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

danclarkie wrote:
its a fact that a large number of people are intimidated by seeing a bike in thier mirrors, this intimidation could startle the driver into making a mistake as simple as pressing the accelerator instead of the brake or anything else.


exactly.. so with a horse.. you have both the startlement of the rider AND a horse to take into account, so you should be doubly careful than with regular, mechanised road users.
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i never once said racing past horses was a good thing to do if you re-read the original post i was slowing down when the horse rider arrogantly told me to slow down)

is it arrogant to know that you were going too fast for that particualr horse? the rider knows what does and doesn't spook their animal. If the beast was young and/or inexperienced on the road, you may have still been going too fast, even tho you had slowed. is that arrogant on their part, or just knowledge of their horse?

in fact maybe if you HAD slowed down to 15-20, the horse wouldn't have shat itself in the first place?

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