Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


Bike electrics, accessories, fuses and relay advice request

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Workshop
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

map
Mr Calendar



Joined: 14 Jun 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:09 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Bike electrics, accessories, fuses and relay advice request Reply with quote

Planning to add some extra lights (front and back), those wrap on heated grips plus GPS power cable to the bike. For some reason having difficulty getting my head around vehicle electrics and I'm seeking some advice. Three little queries:

(1)
Plan A
This was to fit additional fuse box powered from battery by a relay from a switched source (i.e. no power unless bike turned on).
Then from the fuse box run power to the accessories via switches as required.

Plan B
From another friend who insists for me not to switch the power this way but to fit the fuse box AND individual relays and switches for each circuit.

Now Plan B requires me to get my head around a lot of other wires and square relay blocks to attach and squirrel away. I'm also not sure it's required. As an example the instructions for the heated grips just say take it straight off the battery (but I want it via the fuse box as then can't be accidentally left on). There are no other relays in the heated grip circuit.

So I'm left a little confused. Ideally I want to give myself an easy life so a simple solution (is that Plan A?) would be appreciated.

(2)
Could anyone also please let me know what specification of wire I should be using (I'm assuming max. 30A circuit).

(3)
As it's an old bike for touring I did fancy fitting 4 way flasher. This is a separate project as I'm thinking it'll need some piezo sounders. The circuit will be active direct from battery (so can be active if ignition circuit dead) so sounders required to put off anybody passing by 'accidentally' switching it on. Does this sound like a good plan?

Thanks in anticipation Thumbs Up
____________________
...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
Gibbs, what did Duckie look like when he was younger? Very Happy
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

benc
Scooby Slapper



Joined: 16 Jul 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:53 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would go with plan a as there is a lot less to go wrong. as long as you get a suitable relay(that will take the current from all the lights ect.) it should be fine
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

stinkwheel
Bovine Proctologist



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:33 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either will work fine providing you use thick enough wire to cope with the load. I would also fuse those things seperatley as you are talking about very different power demands. You will almost certainly need a relay for the grips, maybe not for the other lights (depending on draw) and probably not for the GPS.

So what I would do is run a big fat wire from the battery through a fused relay that is activated by an already existing switched supply (the rear brake switch or flasher relay is often a conveniant place for this.)

Use that to supply a mini fuse box then run your wiring up to the different accessories as required. As I said, you will probably need a relay for the grips as they would require a very heavy duty switch and wiring attaching to your handlebars otherwise.

Kind of like this (earths not shown for clarity):
____________________
“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

map
Mr Calendar



Joined: 14 Jun 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:17 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Either will work fine...

Thanks for the info.
That's just about how I'd sketched it out.
I'm ok with circuit diagrams but it all goes fuzzy when faced with a wiring loom Rolling Eyes Very Happy

Just one last point to confirm, if I used relays (as for the heated grips) I'd still have to run a feed (say fused 5A) to trigger the relay?

Thanks.
____________________
...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
Gibbs, what did Duckie look like when he was younger? Very Happy
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

stinkwheel
Bovine Proctologist



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 00:06 - 02 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Just one last point to confirm, if I used relays (as for the heated grips) I'd still have to run a feed (say fused 5A) to trigger the relay?


Yes, well spotted. The only reson to use a relay there is to avoid taking a high current up to the bars which would mean thick wires and a heavy duty switch. I suppose it all depends on how hefty a switch you get with the grips as to if this is necessary. The heavy wires will have to go up to the bars anyway to power the grips. The switch you get with them may well be good enough to take the full whack in which case you may as well just take the wires all the way up from the fuse.

I suppose thinking about it, relays would probably be more useful in the headlamp circuit then you can use the feed from the existing switches to trigger the relay, means you wouldn't need new switches. You can usually hide the relays in the headlamp shell.

As I said, there is usually a live feed that comes on with the ignition going into the back brake light switch which should be fine to trigger your 'main' relay. Some bikes also have a 'spare' live in the existing fusebox.
____________________
“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 20 years, 147 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Workshop All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.06 Sec - Server Load: 0.92 - MySQL Queries: 13 - Page Size: 49.06 Kb