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Lee_367
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 08 Aug 2005    Post subject: Motorcycle roadcraft Reply with quote

After passing my test my instructor advised me to go and buy the motorcycle roadcraft book, i was just wondering if anyone on here had read it, and what do you reckon to it?

One more thing, am i right in presuming this is the right book?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/011341143X/qid=1123516178/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/202-8046246-6443021
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 08 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the right book.
Always try to get the latest version as they keep updating it (I think those in the know can tell the issue by the colour of the cover).

Useful to get an insight into 'The System' used by the police. Since it first introduced in the 1920s it seems to have stood the test of time. However, you really need to put it into practice, it's a bit academic otherwise. You can start this on your own to some degree. One quick way to start is to give yourself your own running commentary of the ride, including observations, hazards, etc. Sadly the only way you know if you're doing it right (speed, observations, position, etc.) would be to have someone follow you to check.

If you're serious about advanced training I'd suggest checking out your local IAM motorcycle group or RoSPA group (although motorcycles groups aren't common in RoSPA). The RosPA gold award is the nearest a civilian can get to police standard. The RoSPA braonze is about the same as a IAM pass. With the RoSPA one you have to retake it every few years to keep it valid. Some insurers offer a little discount for RoSPA or IAM pass.

You could also have an individual training session (as was described to me, people pass the RoSPA motorcycle and then advertise themselves as trainers, that's why they're not many groups) or see about attending one of the BikeSafe courses (probably all gone for this summer though).

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PostPosted: 18:06 - 08 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:27 - 08 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just ordered it...about 10 seconds ago. Laughing
I am always looking for ways to improve my riding skills and the reviews suggest it is a pretty handy guide. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 08 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:59 - 08 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't passed my test, done about 300 miles since passing my CBT, would this book be useful to me at the moment or should I pass my test first?
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 08 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vespa wrote:
I bought mine when I did the BikeSafe course. For a tenner, you get the Roadcraft book, as well as a copy of the Highway Code.
Hmmm...I just got skanked, payed 11.14 just for roadcraft.

Toby R wrote:
I haven't passed my test, done about 300 miles since passing my CBT, would this book be useful to me at the moment or should I pass my test first?

I haven't passed my test yet either, as long as your still riding on the roads there are things to learn.

Review Snippets wrote:
The first book anyone should buy before or after passing your driving test...
For anyone who is already or is considering becoming a motorcyclist, Roadcraft is a must...
Every motorcyclist should own a copy...
I bought and read this book before passing my test, and having passed it I return and re-read it occasionally.


Even though the reviews say it is very good, it is up to you what you make out of it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 08 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
speed, observations, position, etc



I think Roadcraft covers the above fairly well, still have a thumb through my copy from time to time. Thumbs Up



I've also found Sport Riding Techniques: How to Develop Real World Skills for Speed, Safety and Confidence on the Street and Track to be a very useful book. (£9.71 new)

It's strong on the technical side, very clearly explained, no confusing use of jargon. Just remember that it's written by an American so you'll need to reverse "left" and "right" when he refers to lanes and positioning Wink Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 08 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely worth a read.

However, I believe it's often considered best to pass your test first.

For a start, somethings mentioned in there may get marks against you on your test.

Practice the skills you need for your test first, should be plenty to keep you going Thumbs Up.
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Lee_367
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 08 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the help, i think i'll order it and give it a go. Smile
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 08 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Practice the skills you need for your test first, should be plenty to keep you going Thumbs Up.


Agreed Thumbs Up Learn to pass your test, then learn how to ride.

Roadcraft is very useful - I have the added advantage of being good friends with an IAM Observer who gives me pointers to my riding.

I do intend to undertake IAM training at some point in the near future.

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PostPosted: 00:23 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:44 - 09 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've passed my police response driving exam the other week and we have to study roadcraft and then have to do an exam on it.
It is bit of a bore to read and there is alot to digest but it does make you understand the road dynamics and helps improve your driving sence.
Basically all you have to remember is; OBSERVATIONS!
and then comes....
Information+position+speed+gears+acceleration
You take in the information of a corner and then you get the right position, get the right speed, change to the right gear and then accelerate out of the corner, all about planning your ride.
I will say this, I was knackered every night after a days driving putting these skills into response drving.
Worth a read though

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