Plans to stop bikers?

[biggerjohn]

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Hi

The early 80s change to a 125cc / 9kW learner law was often blamed for helping the massive drop in the number of riders in the 1980s (numbers have only really gone back up in the last 5~10 years).

As such an expensive scheme is quite probably going to hammer the numbers of people riding bikes. Less people riding means less facilities to learn (especially with longer off road training and testing coming in) which makes getting onto a bike more difficult, and thus even less people learning.

Can't really see justification for allowing people into the Army to get shot at 16 but then saying "sorry you cannot ride a large bike until you are 24".

Although I do think some people rush into buying larger bikes with no real experience, I do not agree with such a long and convoluted bureaucratic process.

Personally I would not be against the scrapping of direct access combined with an increase in the power allowed for those who have just passed their tests (maybe 60hp). Not sure on time limits as although it is easy to keep track of one rider might have done 40 miles in 2 years, another 40000.

While there is the idea that car drivers should be restricted in the same way I do not think there is a percieved problem with inexperienced drivers jumping into Lamborhinis and Ferraris, while performance wise even a 33hp bike has similar real world performance to a hot hatchback.

All the best

Keith
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[mchaggis]

Training on it's own isn't good enough. The test lasts 30-40 minutes and feels like it is over very quickly. Any idiot can ride/ drive to test standard for that period of time, and then proceed to drive/ ride like a cock for the rest of their life.

I haven't actually learnt very much doing DAS really other than getting used to a Fazer rather than my own bike. The only reason I don't have a licence yet is because I ran about an inch wide on a U-turn and ran over a dropped kerb. I've learnt how to ride safely on my own. Making it more difficult for learners to get full licences won't improve anything.

Long term learning rather than that with a specific goal is what will help. Tackling the real issue - the removal of traffic police from the roads is the key. They (European and Whitehall politicians) seem to want to make life more difficult and expensive for roadusers just because it's easier like that rather than setting their own house in order. Twats.
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[bennyboy]

Im just wondering why "something" does have to be done. I recon its fine as it is, but if changes to power restrictions are going to be made to bikes, then seriously why not cars. A 17yr old in a 1.8 even will be far more dangerous than me on my gsxr600. I know this from experience, all my car driver mates get in more road trouble than me, or all my biker m8s

Make it fair you goverment wankers, and this 70decibels thing is ballocks
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[mchaggis]

The car licensing system has been the same for how long? Why pick on bikers as though they are the root of all the problems? I've little idea about how many bikes there are registered compared to cars, but it must be less than 1%, surely?

1% of the population causing all the problems in the transport system? Maybe they think that discriminating against an easy group will solve their problems and make them look good.
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[kal9001]

i also think this is total BS! making the test harder wont achieve ANYTHING other then reduce the number of passes...and thus the number of larger bickers ont he road.
i agree that a car is ALOT more dangerous then a bike...if i run into someone on my bike doing 50...they will get hurt...and so will i, if a car did that, the person would very probably be dead and the driver have no injury at all...well prase the car driver
Bikes ride fast, we do so as its fun, but in my opinion the vast majority of bickers are far more observant and aware of conditions then the average car driver who feeling secure in his cage feels he can just pull right out, ill just cut that corner as i cant be assd to steer anymore then i am now, ill take 3 hours to accelerate to 30MPH And cause a tail back and road rage. but who cares, i have air con/heating, and an arm chair, ill just sit here and fall to sleep and derail a train...

extreme i know, but have you herd of a bike de-railing a train...no...but i bet the 1st time one ever did they would be banned! the government is VERY bicker unfriendly, as we have the lowest usage we have the highest % of deaths from any accidents, as ive said before, bikes have less accidents on average as we are more observant/smaller and generally pay more attention to tha acctual road* but when we do crash we make a good job of it!
cagers will end up in fields and think nothing of it...just crawl out and buy a new one**

this post seems to bve getting long winded now so ill just finish up and reply later if you have ne questions or more points are raised, also sorry about any short hand in there.

(*the number of times ive seen a car driver swerving about like a cunt cos he didnt pay attention to the HUGE pile of shit in the road, or they cut corners, hit water at high speeds (aquaplane) or just generally getting too cumfy and not paying attention to where the road goes and scuffing wheels on the curb. not to mention you have a stupid post (the windscreen frame) obscuring your view, off center driving position, yes ive seen people not realise that the 1ft on one side is 5~6 foot on the other OOPS)

(** maybe the government WANT you to keep buying new cars, that use more petrol, that have higher road tax and are worth more thus you pay more in VAT, or are more likely to get out finance or a load wich the banks have to pay profit tax on...could it all just be a big scam to get us all spending more money, as like the speed cameras i dont see how these new regs will improve safety at all, it will just encourage more unlicensed thus un insured riders who are ALOT more likely to run from the police, also i back up the claim that like the current restrictor laws they are VERY hard to enforce.)
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