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PostPosted: 14:42 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: KTM Pulling Out Of GP Reply with quote

I know this old news, I was just wondering what everyone thought about it, and what your feelings were for poor old Shakey Byrne, who in my opinion could easily be pushing top 5 with a decent bike.

Is it time we had a competitive British GP team so that our riders can compete at the highest level?

Do you think he'll be around in GP next year?
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nearly all the rider would be top 5 if they had a decent ride, Shakey is no different.
As for a British GP team, it will never happen unless Triumph start selling a few 100,000 more bikes a year. There just isn't the money in it for smaller teams to start a GP project that would cost millions to get off the ground.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.Everready wrote:
Nearly all the rider would be top 5 if they had a decent ride, Shakey is no different.
As for a British GP team, it will never happen unless Triumph start selling a few 100,000 more bikes a year. There just isn't the money in it for smaller teams to start a GP project that would cost millions to get off the ground.


That is true but if everyone had decent bikes then I still reckon Shakey would be top 5. I didn't mean use a British bike, I was thinking more along the lines of a satellite team like Camel or Telefonica, we have businesses over here who could afford such a project and they would gain massively from the publicity, just find it strange that's all.. One day maybe.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

There are loads of talented riders around. Much of it comes down to sponsorship. Stuff all national interest in motorcycle racing (outside those who ride bikes) in the UK, so no sponsorship interest, so little call for UK riders unless they are exceptionally good (and having little sponsorship they are not going to get a chance to be exceptionally good).

Suspect Roberts can continue running last years bikes (and that might be a good thing long term, having control of the design of the chassis and the engine), if they can find the money.

Do wonder if KTM have overstretched themselves. Only so many bikes you can sell in a limited and saturated off road market, and they are a bit slow in getting the new road bikes out in numbers.

All the best

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PostPosted: 15:15 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shame for Shakey, maybe he should just jack racing in and become a stunt rider!

That guy can wheelie for miles!
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

To save costs surely a team could just use the motors and electrics etc... from Honda or Yamaha and develop their own chassis? Although the costs savings gained in not renting the whole bike will be eaten up by developing your own chassis?

Just surprised it is so dominated by everyone else and a talented British rider can't even get a half decent bike, let alone on a half decent team. I guess Hodgson had a good ride but messed it up, Shakey would have done much better on the Ducati than Hodgson did in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nevermind KTM, I'm more concerned about my mate that works for Kenny Roberts MotoGP team. He was one of Shakeys mechanics. Sad
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey wasn’t Shakey shagging that Jodie Marsh?
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew wrote:
To save costs surely a team could just use the motors and electrics etc... from Honda or Yamaha and develop their own chassis? Although the costs savings gained in not renting the whole bike will be eaten up by developing your own chassis?

Just surprised it is so dominated by everyone else and a talented British rider can't even get a half decent bike, let alone on a half decent team. I guess Hodgson had a good ride but messed it up, Shakey would have done much better on the Ducati than Hodgson did in my opinion.


That ducati GP ride that hodgson had with the D'antin team was utter shite, they had no help at all from the ducati factory, it was an appauling team.
Wonder what will happen to shakey next year? I think a switch to world superbikes will do him good Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew wrote:
To save costs surely a team could just use the motors and electrics etc... from Honda or Yamaha and develop their own chassis?


Honda / Yamaha are not going to sell their latest motors (for a start this weeks latest motor is next weeks paperweight), and by the time you have a stable engine to develop the chassis from it is out of date, then you have the time delay to develop a new chassis (not cheap, not something Harris could knock up on the side).

Andrew wrote:
Just surprised it is so dominated by everyone else and a talented British rider can't even get a half decent bike, let alone on a half decent team.


Moto GP has generally got fairly pathetic TV coverage in the UK. Generally no interest, so nobody in the UK will bother to advertise on the bikes. And if you are a Spanish company would you rather have a natural Spanish speaking rider advertising your products on TV on the back of your Moto GP advertising, or some English speaker standing around trying to pretend they can speak Spanish?

Hate to think what the budget is for a top flight Moto GP team even excluding riders.

Doesn't help that we have quite a poor background for getting young riders into motorsport. Go back a decade and there was little chance for young riders to compete in anything except motocross.

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PostPosted: 15:27 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what i've heard it looks like they made certain financial commitments and haven't met them Thumbs Down It'll be interesting to see what happens in a legal sense with team Roberts,certainly it's bad for the sport.
They were later than they thought with the 250 and with 3 works 125's can't be cheap to run either so maybe they just simply can't afford it.

As for Shakey he's a top bloke who on his day can give anyone a run for their money,he could run at the front on the right bike but so could alot of the riders.
The only way we'll get British riders in the top teams is when british companys start pumping in big sums of cash and demand to have a brit in the team Penny Coin Penny Coin
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy99 wrote:
They were later than they thought with the 250 and with 3 works 125's can't be cheap to run either so maybe they just simply can't afford it.


Most of your engine development on the 250 can be shared with the 125s. That is pretty much how Aprilia started out in the 125 class after racing in the 250s for a few years.

MotoGP is alien technology for those used to developing 2 strokes with multiple cylinders each of 125cc.

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PostPosted: 15:50 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Most of your engine development on the 250 can be shared with the 125s.

MotoGP is alien technology for those used to developing 2 strokes with multiple cylinders each of 125cc.


If it was a development issue why haven't they waited until the end of the season as contracted and why haven't certain payments been received by team Roberts?

I agree on the 2 stoke 125/250 similarity,but running the teams can't be cheap i just wonder if they overstretched themselves and decided to stick to what they know and wait until the 800cc change and look into MotoGP then.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy99 wrote:
If it was a development issue why haven't they waited until the end of the season as contracted and why haven't certain payments been received by team Roberts?


Agreed, which is why I commented on whether they have overextended themselves based on sales in a limited market sector.

They did drop their own Moto GP project (reputedly because of the costs involved) and just resurrected the engine for KR. Wonder if there are a few hidden clauses about expected results.

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PostPosted: 15:58 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to KTM, they pulled out due to the 800cc regulations coming into play in 2007. Its pretty obvious they were sick of things as they had high expectations of the engine which was nothing but a lump of problems 90% of the time, as would be expected with a development engine.

Gotta feel for Shakey though. Hopefully Team KR can fall back on last years V5 machine, if they can source the funding for it. Might also have problems with the rider due to the fact it was KTM who hired him and pay his wages.

I think all the riders in MotoGP have serious talent, but if I was going to run a British team with a British rider, James Ellison would be the first choice. He rides the balls off that WCM and its amazing to think of his potential a works bike. As said in a previous issue of Performance Bikes, we need a British rider on a Tesco sponsored RC211V or whatever. Wink

Fingers crossed for Shakey/Team KR.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://autoexpress.crash.net/news.asp?nid=117326

lol @ a tesco team. Smile That would be funny.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you're spot on Keith with the expected results.
KTM are used to doing well in whatever they enter and with the 250 getting on the podium first time out it must hurt them to look at the MotoGP results.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew wrote:
https://autoexpress.crash.net/news.asp?nid=117326

That'd be fantastic, Jez Mcwilliams back in GP's, where he belongs IMO.

I really hope that the KR team will be running this weekend. With all their bad luck, its about time they got back up and took control of everything without worrying about another manufactureres engine. No doubt their V5 will be a better motor than the KTM V4 anyway.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 23 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith wrote:
we need a British rider on a Tesco sponsored RC211V or whatever. Wink


With Maureen Lipman as a brolly dolly.

All the best

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