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danclarkie
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PostPosted: 03:22 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: pricing mishap Reply with quote

i have "a friend" Wink that ordered a helmet from a local bike shop 3 weeks ago and then the helmet arrived today. the helmet cost £99.99 and he didnt pay any kind of deposit at all. today when he walked into the bike dealers the helmet had arrived and he tried it on ect and all was good. it came to paying and my friend took out his card and braced for the inevitable. the man serving my friend clicked around on the store computer and said "ok you just have 16.99 left to pay then mate," My friend instantly realised there was a pricing error and being the honest person he is, proceeded to say nothing. he then paid the £16.99 for which he has a visa debit card receipt and a store receipt and was handed the helmet as a done deal, and then he left the shop. looking at his receipt they only say the price paid and method of payment none of them actually state what item has been paid for.

my question is should the store call him up and ask him too pay the extra £83 what would he be legally obliged to do?
the error was entirely on the part of the store, isnt it once youve left the premises the discrepancy is legally yours?

off topic my new helmet is fantastic, got it for a great price too Wink
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PostPosted: 03:43 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

He got a bargain. Once the price asked has been paid, the contract has been completed. The shop have no right to ask for any more money - it was thier mistake and they will have to take the loss.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:16 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know if they have obviously marked it up wrong, for example they had a £16 price sticker on it then they are not obligated to sell it to you for that price. Not sure on the law after you've already bought it though.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

As PsychoHippy said - payment for the item makes the contract. What you can't do is demand that a shop sells you something for the price it says on the label if the label is wrong.

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PostPosted: 10:39 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

shorty wrote:
As PsychoHippy said - payment for the item makes the contract. What you can't do is demand that a shop sells you something for the price it says on the label if the label is wrong.

Shorty


That's the correct.

I had to check this out when someone complained about a wrongly priced item on one of my sites. If they had paid for it I would have been obliged to sell it for the incorrect price, but as they queried it first, I was able to correct it first which pi$$ed them off.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

shorty wrote:
As PsychoHippy said - payment for the item makes the contract. What you can't do is demand that a shop sells you something for the price it says on the label if the label is wrong.

Shorty


Thats not exactly true...

My old man went into asda about 2yrs ago, and saw a brand new 28" widescreen tv for £99. So he picked one of these tv's up, took it to the counter and gave them £99, the woman said that it had been labeled wrong, and so he had to pay the extra.

My dad just said that it was their fault that they have labeled it wrong and he was only going to pay the £99 that it had been labled as.

After talking to the manager for about 10 mins, my dad finally got the tv for £99, and saved himself another £100, because he had the balls to stay there and argue that it was the shops fault and not his. Mr. Green

[edit] Yes, the next day when he went in, they were labled correctly. They learnt their lesson.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looney wrote:
...my dad finally got the tv for £99...

Then he was very lucky and it was a good bit of PR from ASDA.
The price shown is, I believe in legal terms, just an invitation to purchase.
A shop has the right to say no, it really should be another price.

However, where this gets tricky is if it has two prices. The shop then has to sell at the lower price. Consumer law isn't my area so if anyone knows the correct terms please post.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looney wrote:

Thats not exactly true...

My dad just said that it was their fault that they have labeled it wrong and he was only going to pay the £99 that it had been labled as.



It's exactly true.

What happened to your dad was a goodwill gesture on the part of the manager.

In modern shops most prices are stuck on labels on the shelves, when the prices are increased the labels are changed first and once actioned the price increase occurs on the computer system that evening. For decreases the computer price is changed before the labels are changed. Hence the price label is always equal to or greater than the price stored on the computer.

What often happens is there are POS signs, banners etc. and/or secondary locations which are missed by whoever is doing the price changes which is where problems arise.

Basically what is happening when you go into a shop is you are offering to buy an item for a certain price, normally what it says on the label but in your Dads case for a smaller amount. It is then up to the store whether they accept the amount or not. Normally the acceptance of this offer is to take the money.

Put it this way - if your Dad had gone into a smaller local retailer and had seen a 2 grand telly labelled (mistakenly) at 99 quid do you think any amount of arguing would have persuaded them to lose 1900 quid??

Sorry that's so long winded!!

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PostPosted: 11:26 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

shorty wrote:

Put it this way - if your Dad had gone into a smaller local retailer and had seen a 2 grand telly labelled (mistakenly) at 99 quid do you think any amount of arguing would have persuaded them to lose 1900 quid??

Sorry that's so long winded!!

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Fair point..

Either way, my dad was happy with his bargain, he didn't even go out to buy a new tv. PMSL Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: visa Reply with quote

Watch they just dont take the balance as a cardholder not present.

Especially if the order he placed shows the full price.

Its wrong i know but would he argue the point??
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Re: visa Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:12 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

shorty wrote:


What happened to your dad was a goodwill gesture on the part of the manager.



Not necessarily. You are quite right that the price is just an invitation to by. However, as has already been said, it is the accepting of the money that binds the contract.

If the woman at the till had said, "that will be £99 pounds please", and you paid the money, they could not then say, "oops, actually you need to pay another £100."

On the other hand if he went up to the till with the TV and £99 pounds, the manager would be entitled to say that the price is wrong before any money has changed hands.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd take the helmet and run!

Surely if its the shops mistake they can't come back asking for the rest of the cash??
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major_Grooves wrote:


Not necessarily. You are quite right that the price is just an invitation to by. However, as has already been said, it is the accepting of the money that binds the contract.

If the woman at the till had said, "that will be £99 pounds please", and you paid the money, they could not then say, "oops, actually you need to pay another £100."

On the other hand if he went up to the till with the TV and £99 pounds, the manager would be entitled to say that the price is wrong before any money has changed hands.


That's what I thought I said! My reading of what happened to Looneys Dad was that he took the TV to the till and the cashier said "that'll be £249 please" to which he replied "the sign said £99" at this point he had a conversation with the manager and the manager, to avoid his company being shown in a bad light, agreed to sell the TV for £99.

I think we're arguing the same point here!!

...and i'm hungover Sad

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PostPosted: 12:20 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

shorty wrote:


That's what I thought I said! My reading of what happened to Looneys Dad was that he took the TV to the till and the cashier said "that'll be £249 please" to which he replied "the sign said £99" at this point he had a conversation with the manager and the manager, to avoid his company being shown in a bad light, agreed to sell the TV for £99.

I think we're arguing the same point here!!

...and i'm hungover Sad

Shorty


Laughing

I got the impression the guy's dad knew the law full well so took the TV up to the till, then kind of gave the money to the shop assisitant in a "you've accepted the money now" kind of way before they could realise the price was wrong! Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

shorty wrote:


That's what I thought I said! My reading of what happened to Looneys Dad was that he took the TV to the till and the cashier said "that'll be £249 please" to which he replied "the sign said £99" at this point he had a conversation with the manager and the manager, to avoid his company being shown in a bad light, agreed to sell the TV for £99.

I think we're arguing the same point here!!

...and i'm hungover Sad

Shorty


You're correct shorty, they never actually accepted the money. But, because my dad was willing to argue that he was "misled" by the pricing on the sign, he got it for £99.

Guess it was just lucky the manager decided to let him have it, must have had a good day or something. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major_Grooves wrote:
shorty wrote:


What happened to your dad was a goodwill gesture on the part of the manager.



Not necessarily. You are quite right that the price is just an invitation to by. However, as has already been said, it is the accepting of the money that binds the contract.

If the woman at the till had said, "that will be £99 pounds please", and you paid the money, they could not then say, "oops, actually you need to pay another £100."

On the other hand if he went up to the till with the TV and £99 pounds, the manager would be entitled to say that the price is wrong before any money has changed hands.


Yes, acceptance of payment can constitute acceptance of an offer. However, in this case, it appears that the woman took the money and asked for more. Surely that cannot constitute acceptance because if that was the case, what's stopping everyone from giving less money to the cashier everytime they paid?

I think in this case, there was no acceptance of his offer to buy the tv for 99GBP. Therefore, i think the store was not legally obliged to let him have the TV for 99.

I agree with shorty. It was a goodwill gesture.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have now found the reason why i was only charged £16.99, my last name is CLARKE (look at my username and you can guess my first name) the receipt i have been issued says CLARK with the same christian name so basically the names are 1 letter apart, CLARK instead of CLARKE. below the name is this other guys address, seems ive been charged for something to the value of £16.99 that MR CLARK was waiting for, all that remains is for them to ask him to pay £99.99 for his £16.99 order. Which if he does i will feel no guilt for as he should be smart enough to say "im not paying £100 for a pair of indicators" ect. the shop isnt a little sole trader, its the biggest bike dealer in my area, sells bikes scooters accessories does repairs mots bike training ect, their making money hand over fist so im not so bothered about my little discount
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't remeber where the law is on the sale of the crash helmet but it is obvious to me that if the transaction has been made and an unauthorised payment is taken from your account you can reclaim it.

With the TV, a lot of reatailers have been screwed by trading standards for incorreect and misleading pricing. I remeber one case of either Tesco or Asda being fined 2k for evey item that was incorrectly priced. Imagine a shelf with 30 or 40 items on all wrongly priced. 30*2k=60k. Not a bad days work.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 26 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

danclarkie wrote:
i have now found the reason why i was only charged £16.99, my last name is CLARKE (look at my username and you can guess my first name) the receipt i have been issued says CLARK with the same christian name so basically the names are 1 letter apart, CLARK instead of CLARKE. below the name is this other guys address, seems ive been charged for something to the value of £16.99 that MR CLARK was waiting for, all that remains is for them to ask him to pay £99.99 for his £16.99 order. Which if he does i will feel no guilt for as he should be smart enough to say "im not paying £100 for a pair of indicators" ect. the shop isnt a little sole trader, its the biggest bike dealer in my area, sells bikes scooters accessories does repairs mots bike training ect, their making money hand over fist so im not so bothered about my little discount


What about the poor sales assistant who made an honest mistake? You thought about them?
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