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Simonbt
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 28 Aug 2005    Post subject: An Astra almost killed me!!! Reply with quote

I was going up sheffield parkway this afternoon doing a touch over 70mph and i changed into the fast lane to overtake. I always use my mirrors, indicators and lifesaver and there was nothing when i looked. I moved across and about 3 secs later this other car raced past me on the right hand side. He must have been doing about 100/110 and left about 3-5 inches between me and him and probably not much more on the other side.

I'm quite a confident rider but this shook me up. If i had been in the middle of my lane he would have clipped my bars or leg and i would have been gone.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 28 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, sounds quite bad! Some folks do drive too fast on the motorways, but then us bikers sometimes do too! Wink

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Sorry to say, but your fault.

He was in his lane, you moved into his path.


Sometimes this doesn't matter if no-one got hurt. Being passed that close would shake most of us up, but I don't think any one is trying to lay blame here. also, How do you know he wasn't in the same lane as Simon and pulled out at the last minute to overtake, dispite Simon indicating? I see it happen all the time.

It's almost as if being up someone's arse gives you better stopping distances and a better view of the road ahead! Am I missing something, or should we all drive like this?
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 28 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

its 50mph on parkway... isnt it? Thumbs Up Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 28 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

SSs have small mirrors. How about attach bigger mirrors to your bike?
It was lucky that you didn't get hurt.
Let's be careful of Auto speeders.
There are many rude drivers in non-sports car. Sports car drivers often have better manners than them. Worst is company cargo van.
Don't speed with such CAR! I sometimes feel like screaming Wink
But don't and let them go.
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Simonbt
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 28 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
Sorry to say, but your fault.

He was in his lane, you moved into his path.


Really? read again. I was doing 70ish, (national speed limit on the top of the parkway), I looked behind me and there was no-one there. He must have been doing at least 30mph faster than me. 90mph at least makes it his fault....

Anyway, thanks for the support.
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 28 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simonbt wrote:
carvell wrote:
Sorry to say, but your fault.

He was in his lane, you moved into his path.


Really? read again. I was doing 70ish, (national speed limit on the top of the parkway), I looked behind me and there was no-one there. He must have been doing at least 30mph faster than me. 90mph at least makes it his fault....

Anyway, thanks for the support.


Not disagreeing (you were there) but some cars blend easily. I dont think a car doing only 30 or so faster then you would have suddenly appeared and roared past you in the time it took you to flick over your shoulder, indicate, look again and move. In fact proper life savers should be done at the last possible moment as well.

I have nearly front ended a car when i overtook because he was in a slight dip and in a shade of car identical to the road.

Also if you could tell his car he wasnt going /that/ much faster then you.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 28 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon he pulled out to overtake you without signalling, and never saw you move into the right-hand lane, then figured "i'll make it". Either that or you made a total balls-up.

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PostPosted: 22:52 - 28 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Really? read again. I was doing 70ish, (national speed limit on the top of the parkway), I looked behind me and there was no-one there. He must have been doing at least 30mph faster than me. 90mph at least makes it his fault....


Not getting into the ins and outs of this one because I wasn't there. But, if you ride on the assumption that all the other traffic on the road is doing the speed limit, you aren't going to last long. A car doesn't just 'come out of nowhere' on a dual carriageway, epecially one straight enough to do 90-100mph in a Vauxhall Astra. He was behind you somewhere, you just didn't see him, a 30mph difference in speed doesn't mean him closing THAT quickly.

For sake of argument lets assume the car behind you was doing 120mph which is about as fast as an Astra will go and you were doing 70. Lets also say you left a good three seconds after your second lifesaver before you started moving across (which to me is too long). So a closing speed of 50mph, in that three seconds (0.0003 hours) the car had moved 0.015 miles or roughly 25 metres.

So, either the car was dropped out of a helicopter or you didn't see it in your mirrors or your two lifesavers even though it was less than 25 metres behind you.

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PostPosted: 11:20 - 29 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think probably the suggestion that he started out behind me is more likely. I did my observation just before i started to move over. I had spent about 3-4 secs in the lane before he came past. My point being that in that 3-4 secs that i was happily in the fast lane by stinkwheels calculations he had about 25 meters to slow down and wait for me to get out of his way, but instead he jammed his way through the tinyest gap.

I do see what you are all getting at though. The Astra was behind me somewhere, i just didnt see it.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 29 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very inconsiderate of him, no matter how fast the car was going he should hve been able to antisapate what may happen, by doing what he did shows he's got no sense of his surroundings, if a copper had seen him he would have been done for dangerous driving which now carries a min 3 month ban. tosser. thry wont F**k with you on a big bike, I'll say no more
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 29 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

An astra at 120mph is moving at 56.7 m/s, meaning that in 3-4 seconds, he would have covered between 170 and 226.7 metres. If you were travelling at 70mph (33.1m/s), that leaves a closing speed of 23.611 m/s. In that 3-4 seconds, he would have gained 71-94 metres on you.

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PostPosted: 13:06 - 30 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, my last set of calculations were off, i used 1700 for metres in a mile, not 1600 Embarassed a closing speed of 50mph translates to 22.2m/s meaning the astra would gain between 66.7 and 88.9 in 3 to 4 seconds. Apologies for the cock up.

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PostPosted: 17:55 - 31 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is getting far too mathematical for me!! Embarassed
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PostPosted: 03:49 - 01 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would imagine that you where both in the same lane, and both pulled into the fast lane at the same time.

This would make it a 50/50 situation. Since you pulled out at the same time you where half cutting him up, but he was also driving wrecklessly by waiting til he was so close at such a higher speed before pulling out, which would also entail tailgating.
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PostPosted: 04:01 - 01 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

at the end of the day neither had damage to vehicles or them selves so learn and move on...nothign else to it
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 05 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way, im not dropping it. im emotionaly scarred, ive not slept in a week, and i cant even look at an astra without breaking down! Shocked



kidding, i'd forgotten about it till i read this again Laughing
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