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NSR_KID
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 17 Sep 2005    Post subject: Should I go For my A2 License? Reply with quote

hi, hope everyones doing good.

Im 17 and have a nsr125 99 model Razz . Which is like the best bike in the world for me. IT GOES 110MPS and its a complete head turner Cool .
However Rolling Eyes i've been riding for 3weeks after passing my cbt and wondering should i just book my test and move a step up Arrow into the world of bikes (meaning get a 400 or 600cc?)

I feel very confident when i ride and love it Very Happy . Also do i need lessons to go for a practical and finally whats the average cost on a single lesson?
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 17 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes but you'll probably need to do 2 days of training though, mine cost around £250 which included the theory,2 days trainig and the test

but 125's are fun so spend at least a few months on it before doing your test
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 17 Sep 2005    Post subject: Re: Should I go For my A2 License? Reply with quote

NSR_KID wrote:
IT GOES 110MPS


Phwoar, 110 miles per second Laughing

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PostPosted: 19:04 - 17 Sep 2005    Post subject: Re: Should I go For my A2 License? Reply with quote

NSR_KID wrote:
...However i've been riding for 3weeks after passing my cbt and wondering should i just book my test and move a step up into the world of bikes (meaning get a 400 or 600cc?)


If you're thinking of a 400 or 600 after riding a 125 then the extra power will feel like it's trying to kill you. And it will if you're not careful. You'll also have to get it restricted to 33BHP, and most insurance companies won't touch you without some form of certificate to prove the bike's restricted. Also, you need to think about the additional insurance premiums, since your cover will probably rocket sky high at your age.

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I feel very confident when i ride and love it


Apart from your CBT, have you had any proper lessons on your 125 with a qualified instructor ? If not, then the chances are your confidence is a personal opinion only. Most of us could jump onto a bike and ride it with 'confidence'. But, without proper training from a qualified instructor, how are you going to learn the Pro's and Con's of riding to a standard required by a test examiner ?

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Also do i need lessons to go for a practical and finally whats the average cost on a single lesson?


In my personal opinion, I'd say yes, you definitely do need lessons (or at least one lesson) in order to know what you're going to be expected to do on your test. If you're as confident as you say (or think) you are, then I'd suggest a one-day lesson and a 1 hour refresher prior to your test.

Costs vary from place to place, but on average I'd say about £75 for a full days training, then, about £30 for a one-on-one hour with your instructor just prior to your test on the day, plus the cost of your test, which is about £55 at the moment.

I may have got all of this completely wrong. But I doubt it, and I'm sure there are far more experienced bikers on this forum who could advise you further.

Whatever you decide to do. All the best with your test.



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PostPosted: 19:12 - 17 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm gonna go for my A2 test, the local training centre, OYB, charge £250.

That's 2 lessons, the theory and the pratical.

You also get to keep the little SR125 for a week to practice on!

I've been advised not to do the test on an NSR/RS etc as the turning circle isn't great - apparently its better to borrow a little CG or similar for the test.

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PostPosted: 19:25 - 17 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonnay wrote:
...its better to borrow a little CG or similar for the test.


I agree.

Especially for the U-Turn.

But I think NSR ought to borrow it for about a week before his test in order to get used to how it handles. I think they're lovely bikes and handle like a dream. Let's face it, they're what you'd normally take your test on anyway (school bikes).



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PostPosted: 19:28 - 17 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've been advised not to do the test on an NSR/RS etc as the turning circle isn't great


Also when you come to do your test on a sports 125 they will often ask you for proof of restriction and if you cant produce it then they wont take you out on your test and you will have wasted the best part of £60. This doesnt happen every time just something to take note of.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 17 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went straight for a 50cc twist 'n go to a 600cc Bandit, no problems!
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 17 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most honest answer I could give you would be NO. Dont do it until next year.

I'm sure everyone feel's confident after 3 weeks of passing the CBT or car/bike test. It is always (without fail) a false sense of confidence. Ride through the winter and if you dont drop your bike in some way I will be pleasantly surprised.

I doubt you will follow this advice but I can assure you this will be the best course of action.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 17 Sep 2005    Post subject: Re: Should I go For my A2 License? Reply with quote

The Old Geeza wrote:
Also, you need to think about the additional insurance premiums, since your cover will probably rocket sky high at your age.


I'm 17, my insurance for a cb400sf was only £340 which I think is pretty good!

The Old Geeza wrote:
Apart from your CBT, have you had any proper lessons on your 125 with a qualified instructor ? If not, then the chances are your confidence is a personal opinion only.


I was only riding for 2 months after my CBT, felt confident and passed my test first time, with only 6 hours training (which I learnt nothing new)

Go for it NSR kid.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 17 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the best thing to get to get further experience before going for my test, 3 weeks does sound kinda early to dit for a test Rolling Eyes

However......................
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Re: Should I go For my A2 License? Reply with quote

Barney wrote:
I was only riding for 2 months after my CBT, felt confident and passed my test first time, with only 6 hours training (which I learnt nothing new)


There's a big difference between 2 Months riding and 3 Weeks.

Also, maybe you didn't learn anything new in your 6 hour training session, but I'll bet you changed the way you rode the bike - shoulder checks, lifesavers, road positioning and speed etc ? If not, then very well done. But it's amazing how many bad habits we all get into when we don't 'have' to do all this, and I would always recommend some training prior to taking your test. Wink

But, that's just me being a Safety Nazi Embarassed

Edit: BTW, NSR, what's happened to your Avatar ?



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PostPosted: 14:14 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

A2 license? I thought there was the Category A (full license with restriction (for under21s)) and the A1 (light motorcycle license).

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PostPosted: 14:52 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack_Cheese wrote:
A2 license? I thought there was the Category A (full license with restriction (for under21s)) and the A1 (light motorcycle license).


category A2 is a full 'A' licence, but restricted to 33BHP for 2 years (hence the '2' suffix). It actually appears on your licence as simply category 'A', but 'Codes' section of your licence states '=<25KW' (which basically describes the 33BHP rule.

I've scoured my Official DSA book - 'official motorcycling, CBT, theory & practical test - which I bought a few months ago, and I'm now confused (it doesn't take much). According to the licencing laws stated in the book, I can't understand how NSR could be riding a 125 at all at 17 years old - even with 'L' plates, unless he already has a full Car licence, which would explain it.

Could someone please enlighten me? This is NOT a sarcastic response, it's a genuine enquiry. How can NSR be riding a 125 at the age of 17 without at least a full Car licence ?

TIA.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can ride any bike as long as its restricted to meet legal laws. I think On l plates the bike should be restricted to 12bhp. Even if u get an r1 and restict ITS LEGAl so whats the confusion? Cool
By the way mines deristrited to 33bhp which only a bike with a full licesne can ride but as i said b4 u need that extra power that special moment ( to teach boy racers some respect Cool
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

All you need for a 125 is a CBT, provisional and to be over 17, but you are restricted to 11kw. 125cc is the largest capacity you can ride on a provisional + cbt.
Thanks for the help on the licensing nomenclature.

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PostPosted: 15:14 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSR_KID wrote:
you can ride any bike as long as its restricted to meet legal laws. I think On l plates the bike should be restricted to 12bhp. Even if u get an r1 and restict ITS LEGAl so whats the confusion? Cool
By the way mines deristrited to 33bhp which only a bike with a full licesne can ride but as i said b4 u need that extra power that special moment ( to teach boy racers some respect Cool


Ah! got you now. So, you're riding illegally ?

Now't wrong with that then Wink

Actually, the BHP restriction is not the only governing factor. The Power-to-Weight ratio also comes into force. So, restricting an R1 to 33BHP would still not make it legal, simply because it'd be too damned heavy Rolling Eyes

Mind you, these are only the legal requirements. I don't honestly think Plod would bother to weigh the bike myself Wink

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PostPosted: 15:21 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack_Cheese wrote:
All you need for a 125 is a CBT, provisional and to be over 17, but you are restricted to 11kw. 125cc is the largest capacity you can ride on a provisional + cbt.


That's informative, and been rated accordingly. Thank you.

Jack_Cheese wrote:
Thanks for the help on the licensing nomenclature.


You're welcome Wink



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PostPosted: 15:21 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

a bike can be too heavy, but not too light. the power to weight ratio is 0.16 kw/kg meaning a bike at the 25kw(33bhp) limit must weigh exactly or more than 156 kg. a heavier bike will push the power to weight ratio down.

Jack

P.S. Thanks for the reminder on the ratings front, i keep forgetting to rate posts.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is pis*ing me off, my avator doesent appear, ive tried reducing it but it dnt work
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the reasons why you should ride through winter on your 125.

You are most likely going to drop the bike, do you want to drop the flash R6 or whatever bike you ride? That will be very expensive to repair, an NSR is still expensive but as they are dropped more more parts are available cheaper in breakers.

You are going to need to learn how to control a bike when it fishtails over white lines and drains, what to do when the road is greasy, you need to learn how not to panic in an emergency situation when there's little grip (you can lock the back brake and stay upright, lock the front and you WILL hit the ground etc). How to plan ahead and learn to read what's happening so you can avoid getting into that situation in the first place. The list is endless. If you are to make a mistake as well chances are you will be going relatively slowly. Whereas on a 600 you can add 20-30mph to your speed VERY quickly.

I started riding just after last winter and I'm now going to ride through this winter on a bike which has a slightly bent frame, and although it will be easy to fix i'm going to leave it as is, it also has shit brakes and a very peaky engine which requires alot of clutch control/abuse. The theory is that if I can ride this through the winter and stay upright then riding a newer bike (even though it will have alot more power) will be far easier as the brakes and handling will be far superior to what I have learnt on.

Your choice and I think youve already made it, but for economic terms staying on your 125 will be wiser. Perhaps do training and see where you stand, and if you do pass your test resist the temptation to buy a bigger bike.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Re: Should I go For my A2 License? Reply with quote

The Old Geeza wrote:
There's a big difference between 2 Months riding and 3 Weeks.


Oh right, didn't read the post properly, yea i would definatly recomend training, but no need to go over the top and books loads as it is expensive, thinking about it now, i concentrated hard on my speed and road position during training, so it is worth it.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

i passed my test last week and its good knowing i can have any bike i want.

It wasnt the power that took a while to get used to, as thats easy to control with the throttle.

Its more low speed where big bikes can be tricky with weight and lumpy power delivery at low revs on singles and twins. This can be good once you get used to it.

For me it was the way some big bikes carry their weight. I found a big trail bike much easier than a 500 commuter although a bit daunting at first.

The trick is not being afraid to put your foot down to correct if it starts to fall, not once it is falling.

A derestricted 2 stroke probably breaks the power to weight rules off the 33bhp license but no one really checks.

Power to weight rule is about light powerful bikes, it doesnt stop you having heay bikes, just light and powerful bikes that accelerate well even when restricted.

Ive go an unrestricted license but if i hd the A2, id probably take the restrictors out once i had the paper saying it was restricted and i might not even bother with that.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Re: Should I go For my A2 License? Reply with quote

Barney wrote:
Oh right, didn't read the post properly, yea i would definatly recomend training, but no need to go over the top and books loads as it is expensive, thinking about it now, i concentrated hard on my speed and road position during training, so it is worth it.


You seem like a good man. Keep that attitude and you'll be well respected in older life - I promise Wink



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PostPosted: 20:25 - 18 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Old Geeza wrote:
So, restricting an R1 to 33BHP would still not make it legal, simply because it'd be too damned heavy Rolling Eyes

It wouldn't be illegal. Rolling Eyes
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